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03-08-2007, 03:24 PM
I went to a local brewers meeting last night, took five meads... everybody was extremely impressed, and a # of beer brewers there are now interested in making mead (gave them my contact info and pointed them here). Met some very cool people including a "rebel" of sorts. His family owns a winery, but he's more interested in beer. They have a bunch of honey left over from when they used to have bees, so he's interested in making mead. I'll be getting a tour this weekend and (drum roll please) all of the empty wine bottles I'll ever need from their tasting room. I've also been informed they have lots of wild black raspberries growing on their property and have been invited to come pick some when they're in season. Life is good!


03-08-2007, 04:41 PM
wow congrats. i think its about time for me to join up with a brew club around here...

03-08-2007, 07:13 PM
As they say sometimes it's not what you know, but who you know. Contacts are good. I think they (whoever "they" are :icon_scratch:) call it networking now. Black raspberries are good, unfortunately most of mine are red(not as good imo).
Happy fermenting, Jon

03-19-2007, 12:20 AM
Outstanding aquisition Wrathwilde!! I can't wait to get back to AZ to start developing my own network of brewing contacts. So far, I know of 1 other person out there and he lives in the northern part of the state. Maybe a brew club will be the way to go. I know there's a pretty large brew club over by Phoenix.

Then again, there's also the that SCA kingdom right by my house near Estrella Mtn... :icon_scratch:

I think I'll start with a "Rennie" Fair and see where it goes from there. Those are always fun.

Oh well, two more months and I'll be home. :cheers:

03-29-2007, 06:35 PM
Way to go WW!

Subvert and spread the bug!

04-17-2007, 02:58 AM
excellent hook up WW! :icon_thumright:

i am soo green with envy :tongue2:
i joined a local brew club a few months back, only one guy in the group makes mead, but can't stand the stuff. he makes it for his wife who is military and on sea duty!

this group is soo far ahead of me in the learning/brewing curve, that they even forget to fill me in on local events/competitions. they all know about them, 9 out of ten are BJCP!

anyway congrats and heres to a long and productive black raspberry mead recipe collection! :cheers:

06-29-2007, 09:59 PM
Don't know if it's the season yet where these berries are, but they are ready (some a little past ready) here. Picked around 8-10 lbs from my property and the neighbors in the past week as they ripened and after finding a great spot at work I picked 8 lbs after work today. Four and a half hours of climbing through brush and jaggers and picking the berries left my fingers purple, my arms up to the elbow scratched up and it looks like a shotgun pattern on my back from the biting flys ( the mosquito welts won't show up for a day or two). The whole time I was dreaming about the wonderful meads I hope to make with these berries.

Might be worth a call to the people who have the berries to see if there ready.

Good luck and happy picking, Jon

(reds will be ready in about a month, my poor sore self :sad5: ahh but the end results :cheers:

06-30-2007, 02:54 AM
Unfortunately work has been keeping me busy... 6 and 7 day weeks for the last few months. Last week I had 22 hours of overtime. Very little time for personal endeavors like meadmaking or picking wild black raspberries.

Divergence of topic to swoon over why I have no time this summer-

I did take off this weekend, but I'm going to the Presidential Debates in Des Moines Iowa (today) and then to the Ron Paul Rally that follows. I might just skip the Presidential Debates though and see if Ron Paul needs any help... As I've already made up my mind that this is the guy who embodies most of my beliefs (I've already made a sizeable donation to his campaign). The positions we disagree on - he concedes are either personal choices that the Federal Government shouldn't be legislating on, or should be the domain of State Governments. I may spend most of my limited free time this summer campaigning for Ron Paul.
I crafted my own bumper sticker for tomorrow, as the Shirts and bumper stickers I ordered won't be here in time...

<img src="http://image.bayimg.com/na/ck/ca/ab/o.jpg">

Those of you addicted to mainstream media are probably thinking "Who is Ron Paul?" - Well, He could very well be the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson.

When Polling conventional Republicans he garners about 2% in their Internal Party Polls.

But in a number of online polls, without the bias of party affiliation, he is heads above all other candidates.

This is a California Republican Poll that the media completely failed to report on -

<img src="http://image.bayimg.com/aa/cl/ma/ab/o.jpg">

It's hard to see but of 3828 votes Ron Paul managed 1384 (36%), Fred Thomson 755 (20%), Mitt Romney 619 (16%), Giuliani 224 (6%).

That's 20 percentage points higher than Romney alone and 10 percentage points higher than the combined total of Romney and Giuliani (the two supposed Republican front runners) but the news media and the Republican Party still try and dismiss him as "not a viable candidate". I guess the people aren't really supposed to choose the Party candidates in the Primary... It looks like we are only supposed to "choose" candidates pre-anointed by The Party and The Media.

When Ron Paul wins an online poll.. the Republican Party and the Media continue to accuse his supporters of cheating, spamming or otherwise hacking the poll - The media never offer proof of this however and fail to mention that almost all of the Online Polls he wins Limit Votes to 1 per IP address. The traditional polls he wins are not reported, like the California Republican poll above, and a number of recent "Republican" sponsored polls have taken the step of not even including him among the Republican choices.

Want to know who won the Republican debate in New Hampshire? Links in Blue...
According to the "ABC News" online poll of viewers it was Ron Paul in a landslide! (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3247346&POLL292=200000000000000000000000)

Even "Tow the Republican line" Fox News showed him leading the debates in their own live Text Message poll... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bBmhnJTvLw) but the Republicans are still trying sabotage him and the Fox Anchors dismissed their own poll and refused to believe Ron Paul won the Debate. I don't think I've ever seen Fox News dismiss a poll of their own audience before. This wasn't an organized effort by Ron Paul supporters to skew the results, this was a live poll of their actual audience. Disgraceful, but another example of Fox's "We Report, We Decide".

I personally know a number of Democrats who were going to Vote for Obama... that are now switching parties and will be voting for Ron Paul. Most Libertarians I know will be voting for him too, as well as a number of people I know who are usually too disgusted with candidates, of both parties, to vote.

Ron Paul ran as the Libertarian presidential candidate in 1988. He has been Elected to Congress 10 times, by a wide margin, and won even after they gerrymandered his district to try and force him out.

So what is Ron Paul's Record in his ten terms of service?

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

He doesn't believe the Federal Government should be funding a war on Drugs or mandating that States should be locking up Non-Violent drug users for mere possession, or going in and arresting medical marijuana patients in states that allow medial use... Basically if its a personal choice issue that is "nonviolent" or "consensual" Ron Paul believes the Federal Government should have no say in how you choose to live your life.

Can you tell that I love where this guy is coming from?

Check out a couple of his videos here...
Freedom is Popular (http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom)

Stop Dreaming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8&mode=related&search=)

and here...

Technocrati (http://www.technorati.com/videos/tag/%22ron%20paul%22)

I Wish I was rich enough to quit my job and volunteer full time for this guy.

Check him out, honest and right on the money!!!


06-30-2007, 09:18 AM
Much as I hate to say it, some things are more important than mead. It sounds like you've found something worthy to focus your energy on :usa2: It also sounds like Ron Paul is a name I hope to see on the ballot.


06-30-2007, 12:30 PM
I generally stay out of political discussions by design and out of sheer frustation with speaking to voters who have a basic television education on politics and government.

I've been a registered "Declines to State Party" for as long as I can remember, and have never punched out paper next to a Republican or Democratic candidate. I've written (or dialed in...don't get me started on electronic voting) my candidates since day one, and hadn't really seen any need to change that except for a couple of times before.

Bottom line is that Ron Paul is in my estimation the closest thing we have to a real chance to rebuild our basics as a country. To me that is, our Constitution, Bill of Rights, secure borders, foreign trade, standing army, citizen militia and homebrewing.

A word of caution here folks.

Political discussions can get out of hand quickly so be advised that I will shut this thread down in a pico-second if people don't mind their manners.



06-30-2007, 01:23 PM

agree about ron paul
just dont think enough other ppl will agree

duncan hunter is a close second imo

other then those two i dont see any one on either part that
i can even force myself to vote for

my .02



07-01-2007, 04:52 AM
agree about ron paul
just dont think enough other ppl will agree

I just got back from the Iowa Debates and the following Ron Paul Rally. I have to disagree with you Wolf_Tracker. I'm breaking meetings up into two sections, first The Presidential Debate. This included the Supposed front runner Romney and 5 other hopeful Republicans... they drew a crowd that was counted at around 750 people. The Hall where it was held had the seating sections broken up into groups of 100, so it was fairly easy to get accurate counts of the crowds. Of the people attending the Republican Debate, you know - the supposed audience, all of the people there that I talked to were people working/volunteering for the candidates... I didn't meet one person not connected with a campaign, I also didn't meet one person attending that debate that claimed to be from Iowa. That's not to say there weren't any concerned citizens there, just that of the dozen or so people I had conversations with out in the hall... All were affiliated with the candidates and drove in from out of state.

Ron Paul's rally on the other hand was filled with people from all over Iowa and the neighboring states, the 6 republican hopefuls were only able to fill 750 seats, we had over 1000 people turn up to see Ron Paul, of which I would say about 20 were volunteers for the campaign (that # includes his family members that were there). Now you might say, 1000... well that would be most of the 750 from the republican debate, plus a few hundred Ron Paul Supporters, big deal.

After the Republican debate ended we only witnessed about 50 make their way over to Ron Paul's rally afterward. It's not like they would have been hard to miss, there was only about 150 feet between the door entrances, along the same wall, so it was very easy to spot the people leaving one door and making their way to the other. No wishing away the numbers that way... Ron Paul drew 1000 people on the strength of his message, and this was with only one weeks notice. The Republican Debate had been in the pipeline for months and only drew 750! Yep only a fringe candidate with no chance of winning could pull those #'s so quickly.

Jim Guest (the Missouri State Congressman who gave an introductory speech for Ron Paul at the event) was asked (beforehand) to look into why the local media wasn't covering the event, his contacts (at the stations?) reported back that the FCC had contacted the stations and told them in no uncertain terms not to give coverage to Ron Paul's event. This isn't some wild conspiracy that was on the rumor mill at the event. I was standing right next to Congressman Jim Guest while he was explaining this to someone who had asked him why the major media wasn't here covering Ron Paul.


I just got an email from another source that posted this story, and who was able to ask Jim Guest about the comments I relayed in my post... He claims he was just speculating.

It was a rather loud crowd, but I don't think I missed any of the conversation and it didn't come across as speculation, it came across as something that was checked on by him or his people. I guess we'll never know for sure.

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I would ask you not to give up or dismiss Paul so easily, he has a dedicated following that's growing, and if you agree with his stance I would urge you to not sit idly by in apathy, that's exactly why the country is in such trouble, we have been complacent in letting the Republicrats choose our leaders for us. We have to let them know that we are going to take back the right to choose our own leaders... not just pick the lesser of two party evils. We've got to let them know that it's going to start with this election. If we don't, then we may have missed our last and only chance to to save our freedoms, our Liberty... and our country from total financial collapse. And I'm dead serious about that last statement. Every Taxpayer right now is on the hook for over $500,000 each in American debt, Social Security and Medicare obligations. That's every single one of us, right now, if we stopped borrowing!!! It would take us 73 years to pay off this debt at our current taxation levels, according to USA Today.

The current administration and both houses are on the Gravy Train, they are borrowing from foreign governments at the rate of 2 to 3 Billion Dollars a Day but even that isn't enough to cover our spending, so the government is printing more money to cover it's shortfall, causing the current slide in the dollar - according to Ron Paul, and He should know, He presently serves on the House Committee on Financial Services and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

The Federal Reserve tells us all is well and that we have a low inflation of about 2%, but that's only by deliberately excluding Gas, Housing, food and medical. If you include those in we are actually closer to 10% inflation per year. Now maybe you are one of the few who doesn't have housing, eat food, use any type of gas powered transport or need medical services... if so that's amazing!!! By the way you are the only person in america who is sitting at 2%.

If we don't put the brakes on this right away our country will collapse... it may take 5, 10, 25 years but it will happen if we don't drastically reduce the size of our Federal Government, cut our borrowing, and stop pretending that it's the governments job to take care of us cradle to grave. That's your job, to look out for you and your own!!! And guess what... if you weren't paying 40-50% of your income to the government you could afford to send your kids to private school, you would be able to afford medical care, you would be able to save money without it being eaten away by inflation, and the federal government wouldn't be dictating how you should live your life... or threatening to lock you up for a wide range of (Nonviolent & Consensual) actions that should really be "your right" to engage in as a free citizen.

The Federal Government was set up with only one purpose in mind... to protect you from those who threaten to deny you your life, liberty and freedom.

We have been complacent, and stupid as a country not only to accept legislation against our freedoms, but we've taken it a lot further than that, we have citizens who are apathetic about their own freedom, and special interest groups who are quite literally demanding that the Government not only stop protecting our freedom and liberties, but actively petitioning and lobbying the Congress and the Senate to legislate away the inalienable rights of groups they disagree with. This has got to Stop!!! We cannot call ourselves a free country any longer. We cannot allow ANY Special Interest Group, Politician or President to pick and choose which citizens get which rights. People have to understand those rights are for all of us, because every exception will spawn another exception, then another, until the Government is the only one who has any rights... and that's the totalitarian state we supposedly abhor... but that's exactly what we are building. We have to return to the ideals set forth in the constitution before it's too late and Ron Paul is the Only candidate who is serious about doing just that.

I realize some people might want to debate this. If you don't want to do it on the forum, PM me and we can go back and forth by email. If you resort to name calling, or flaming I will not take your arguments seriously. All communications must be civil as well, I am offering this is for serious exchanges of ideas only.


07-01-2007, 06:05 AM

I agree with most of the stuff you wrote.

The only comment I have to make is electability.

Most of the east and west coast ... pls take care of me forever and take those
rich ppls money will elect the next president.

Not the ppl in Iowa which has how many electoral votes?

IMO this country is heading for a second revolution. Because you have the group of get the heck out of my
face ... leave me alone ... smaller government and taxes

and the group of sheep that say do what ever it takes to take care of me now and forever...

The two groups will never agree on the thoughts and ideas of the other one ... never...

I have a book about the coming second revolution that I will PM you the title of after I find it again.

One last thing...

Sorry to make this point .. say we bust tail and get Ron elected. How the heck does he get one
darn thing thru congress

Unless by some miracle we sweep all of the turkeys out
and that is with the sheep saying my guy is good ... but yours????

Nothing will happen.

Love Walter Williams if you ever read his colums


Lets have a mead

07-01-2007, 06:59 AM
He may never sign a bill, presidential veto... that would force the Democrats & Republicans to work together to forge a path, or submit only balanced budgets and bills that don't violate the Constitution. All the while he'd have 4 years to educate the populace on the importance of the constitution, admonishing those who submit bills that try to curtail your freedoms. I can't think of a better way any president has spent their time in office, and that's if he Isn't able to achieve any of his personal goals, that's the minimum you'd have to look forward to.


07-01-2007, 04:13 PM
im really not into politics for one reason:(edit)
1. there is absolutely no accountability, they can say whatever they want before they are elected, absolutely anything that they want, and then never do any of it at all.
-if you went to work and said "i should get a promotion" your upper management and human resources people would ask why. then you would say i" think that i can make our company better in ways that will benefit everyone. to do so ill __________________________." they say "wow thats a great idea, you have our support, heres your promotion, new office, raise, and were going to move you to our headquearters in ___________." but then you get there and do nothing at all. maybe even make some bad policies that get the company in trouble with all of the companies that it used to work. YOU WOULD BE FIRED AND LETTERS OF APOLOGY WOULD BE WRITTEN!

i have thought a few things about our government for a long time, keep in mind that this is without the influence of political BS from radio/news/old people who blindly follow their "party". here is one of them....
1. our government is to big. they get to involved in everyones lives.
-people who want to be taken care of are the root of this evil. they want their lives to be regulated and they want to be held accountable for nothing.
-sorry people but social security is the same as well fair. if you have ever read anthing anywhere about financial planning you would know that you are supposed to save money so you can retire and have insurance incase you become disabled/dead. if you didnt save money for your retirement then you have to use social security.

2. bad guys will get guns if they want them, and they wont be registered. dont take guns out of the hands of honest working people that are just trying to be involved in recreation(hunting, skeet, cowboy shooting) and protect themselves.

3. victimless crimes are a joke. its government imposing its faith based morals onto its people who may or may not embrace those same morals.

the point is that i may do some research and see how i can help support Ron Paul.

07-01-2007, 10:39 PM
Hey! This hotel I'm in has free wi-fi! So I'm online tonight after all!!

Good time to express my opinion -- I've followed Ron Paul's career with much interest for over 2 decades, and in that time he has not said or (more importantly) done anything against his stated basic beliefs. I sincerely wish that we could elect someone such as him. Wrath, more power to you for getting behind one of the only worthy candidates in this field of thousands. :usa2:

Now you all have got me wondering, are brewers and meadmakers by nature Libertarian thinking, or are we on this thread only a minority opinion here?

07-03-2007, 07:40 PM
I would speculate that rather than brewers being Libertarian by nature, that brewing appeals to people who have a somewhat higher than average DIY self sufficiency personality. That personality might be the common thread to Libertarian thinking (of course that might be a paraphrase of the same thought)

Another thread about self defense comes to mind in which what appears to be a majority of the forum members express very similar(and likely Libertarian) views.

07-04-2007, 02:17 AM
Wow most mead makers are libretarians no wonder I like posting in these boards so much. :happy10:

07-07-2007, 07:07 AM

something I found this morning



07-07-2007, 11:23 PM
Yep, I saw other stories on the Ron Paul finances topping John McCain's cash on hand... as well as Mitt Romney if he hadn't loaned 9 million of his own money to his campaign... but the real telling factor is that every other Republican Candidate raised less this quarter than last. Romney was down $6 million as compared to last quarter. Ron Paul, on the other hand, Raised 4x what he did last quarter!!!

I took the sticker above and made it a shirt at Zazzle, image below...

<img src="http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/wrathwilde/RonPaulShirtsZaz1.jpg?t=1183864057"> (http://www.zazzle.com/Wrathwilde*)

The picture above is also a link to Zazzle, where you can get "GotMead International Brewmaster" shirts AND now "Ron Paul Back to the Constitution" shirts.

I just got 2 "Ron Paul Constitution" Shirts, and they are awesome. Just in case you think "Shouldn't you be buying official Ron Paul shirts?" you may rest assured I have, I've also made a sizable contribution to his campaign, and I just stepped up as Organizer for the Dubuque Ron Paul 2008 Meetup group... another $72 bucks out of pocket. Anything I make from the above shirts has already gone back into his campaign, as will all future sales.

08-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Just got back from the Ames Straw Poll where Ron Paul placed fifth, we beat Rudy, McCain, Fred and Tommy Thompson, Duncan Hunter and John Cox.

Tommy Thompson said he'd be dropping out if he didn't finish 1st or 2nd, and his brother Ed Thompson, who was working for his older brothers campaign said that if Tommy Dropped out, that he (Ed Thompson) would be supporting Ron Paul. Ed Thompson was previously chairman of the Wisconsin Libertarian Party.

<img src="http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/wrathwilde/RonPaulJeredMike.jpg">

Here's me back stage at the Ron Paul Tent with Mike the official campaign videographer.