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UDV
05-09-2008, 01:29 PM
My question is this

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/16-05/st_counterfeitwine

If you put an RFID tag in a cork, can you even sanitize this cork, how does long-term aeretion work? Considering that some wines can last 20 or 30 years in a bottle, how can you even deploy something like this without testing say for long term?

I mean it's the premium vintages too as well, seems you'd want an awful lot of taste-testing before going live with something like that.

beachfrontmeadman
05-09-2008, 02:16 PM
well if the synthetic corks work as well as they seem to, i don't see a reason that you couldn't implant something in them during the manufacturing process and then sanatise them up to spec

UDV
05-09-2008, 03:22 PM
There was a thread somewhere about synthetic corks don't allow any o2 transfer in at all, and part of the value of aging was letting some slight o2 into the bottle?

Medsen Fey
05-09-2008, 06:34 PM
Actually the synthetic corks are believed to allow too much oxygen in, while the screw caps allow none. Here (http://www.portocork.com/docs/bordeaux_study_002.pdf) is a presentation of some data (it is marketing material mind you, so the presentation may have a slant) that describes the relative amounts. I don't think the debate has been settled about what is better.

Can it really be that collectors of fine wines cannot taste the difference between the great growths and cheap substitutes? Or a better question may be,"If you can't taste the difference why should it matter?" ;)

fatbloke
05-10-2008, 02:04 AM
also, the smallest RFID chips are tiny. They could potentially be inserted after the corking run. Either being glued/pasted under the shrink/foil cap or by actually inserting them with a needle or similar into the cork (only need to be 1 mm or so deep).

regards

fatbloke

nbagshaw
05-10-2008, 10:47 AM
How about a synthetic encapsulated chip dropped in at bottling?
That would be no more intrusive or weak than a corked chip.
And without mptying the contents, no hope of easy theft.

fatbloke
05-11-2008, 11:36 AM
How about a synthetic encapsulated chip dropped in at bottling?
That would be no more intrusive or weak than a corked chip.
And without mptying the contents, no hope of easy theft.
Hum? I doubt that the purists would like that.

As the smallest RFID chips are the size of a piece of "childrens play glitter", you could just as easily loose it in the glue that is used to hold a cap/cover on, or they could be included in the "shrink".

Personally I don't like the idea of business using RFID in any form. It's far too intrusive. I believe that it is a technology that should be controlled by national legislation. If you let any "Tom, Dick or Harry" loose with it, it will mean that you need to run to the courts, every time they abuse any personal data gained from RFID and linkage to other technologies.

regards

fatbloke