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Medsen Fey
04-16-2009, 11:58 AM
I'm going on a rant!

I'm ticked off about my taxes (I had to send in a big check yesterday). I wasn't able to attend the local tea party as I was working a shift, but I support the idea. I'm really disgusted to see my money taken away to give bailouts to large financial institutions so they can give their executives million dollar+ bonuses and salaries. I even read where one large bank that has received bailout funds has order 2 new Gulfstream jets, and is building a hangar to put them in. Yipee, that'll get the economy moving. :rolleyes:

This has become almost comical. Like a little piece from Edgar Allen Poe:


Epigram for Wall street


I'll tell you a plan for gaining wealth,
Better than banking, trade or leases —
Take a bank note and fold it up,
And then you will find your money in creases!
This wonderful plan, without danger or loss,
Keeps your cash in your hands, where nothing can trouble it;
And every time that you fold it across,
'Tis as plain as the light of the day that you double it!


I can think of quite a few things that bailout money could be used on that would help to stimulate the economy if they just left it in my grubby little hands. So here are some things that I will not be purchasing anytime soon since my money has been taken to be doled out to the cronies of Washington.



http://morewinemaking.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/morebeer.com/1/6303.jpg&w=250&h=250&far=C&fltr[]=wmi|../../themes/morewinepro/images/thumbnail_watermark.png|C|15
I would love to get a beauty like this 30 gallon American oak barrel (about $400) for my meadeira batches. Letting them cook in the garage in something like this might make for something truly exceptional. By the way, this does not even include the air conditioning system I would like to install in the garage so I could keep a nice cool temperature to age other things.

http://phmeters.com/shopsite_sc/media/IQ128.jpg

The lovely IQ 128 pH meter with ISFET technology (no storage solution needed). Accurate to .02, and rugged (about $300). It would be a very handy tool.

http://morebeer.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/morebeer.com/1/2665.jpg&w=80&h=140&far=C (http://morebeer.com/view_product/16168/102278/Complete_Conical_Fermenter_-_With_Cooling_24_Gallons)Even better, how about this 24 gallon temperature controlled stainless steel conical fermenter (about $2,200) that I could use in the garage to brew cool during the summer (and spring and fall) heat. I could support a lot of beekeepers with one of these babies.

Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful purchases I could make it if I still had some of that money I earned.

What kind of things would be on your bailout list?

akueck
04-16-2009, 02:41 PM
Yeah, I wrote a check this year too, despite our reducing the exemptions on withholding (wife 1 to 0, me 2 to 1) and making less this year than last. Somehow we owed the same in taxes, not really sure how that happened. I don't in general begrudge writing a check though, the government just floated me a (interest-free) loan for a year and I can't complain about that.

Thanks to the lovely job market, any extra money coming my way will go toward anything beside food and rent, which at the moment eats up almost all our income. Weekend trip out of the house is high on the list, as is wine/beer to refill our empty storage racks.

wildoates
04-17-2009, 12:45 AM
Yeah.

Yeah.

:eek:

WRATHWILDE
04-17-2009, 02:49 AM
10% fewer monies here to indulge in meadmaking, starting this week, everybody - from the CEO on down at "Quebecor World", was informed that we would all be taking a mandatory 10% pay reduction. If we don't like it... well --> there's the door. To be fair, the senior executives are taking a 10% reduction on top of a 5% reduction they took about 6 months ago, bet they still make lots more than the rest of us though.

Anybody else get a chuckle out of so many news outlets mentioning "tea-bagging"? Haven't been this amused since FOX kept bringing up the Obama family "Fisting".

Cheers,
Wrathwilde

Kee
04-17-2009, 03:01 AM
Actually, Medsen, you should be complaining a bit more about those bailouts. Several companies are trying to give the bailout money back. They don't need it as much as they initially thought and don't want the gov't telling them how to run their companies. The government is saying NO. WTF?! Let the companies give our money back!

wildaho
04-17-2009, 06:14 AM
Kee,

I trust these "back-givers" not at all. It's all PR. They are deliberately working the media to make themselves look like victims rather than rapers. If they hadn't messed up to begin with, they wouldn't be targeted for attention on "trying to give it back" to begin with.

Wade

Edit: And how come some of these companies are buying two new corporate jets with the "gubmint" money? Just exactly how does that stimulate the economy?

huntfishtrap
04-17-2009, 12:38 PM
I'm not gonna worry about pictures, but you guys know what this stuff looks like. As I am just starting, you can bet my list is long:

fruit crusher and press
champaign bottles and corker
one of those nice vacum bottlers
a ton of corney kegs
chest freezer and temp control
a half ton of glass carboys, any size
pretty much everything for whole grain brewing:D
lets not forget the storage space for all of this

Im not asking for too much am I?

Paul

akueck
04-17-2009, 02:39 PM
lets not forget the storage space for all of this

Im not asking for too much am I?

Paul

Maybe we can borrow the hangars that some companies are building for their new jets. Lots of storage in there!

Kee
04-17-2009, 08:15 PM
I trust these "back-givers" not at all. It's all PR. They are deliberately working the media to make themselves look like victims rather than rapers. If they hadn't messed up to begin with, they wouldn't be targeted for attention on "trying to give it back" to begin with.

I trust them as much as I trust the govt/White House, maybe slightly more. Their stories rings more true than the govt's, who's not accepting the money.

A real easy way to resolve this would be to call them on it and accept the money.

Medsen Fey
04-17-2009, 08:37 PM
http://www.kitchenresource.com/images/Products/Lequip/Juicers/omni2.jpg

I'd also like to get one of these L'equip masticating jaw juicers that can be used to juice fruits or vegetables. I'm not sure it would work on a Mango, but I'm pretty sure it would work on starfruit, passion fruit, papaya and such. I want to try making some melomels using settled clear(er) juices like winemakers do. So add this to my list of goodies I'd like to buy if my portion of bailout money got returned to its rightful owner.

And if any of those companies are willing to pay back, they can take my portion and send it directly to me - just PM me and I'll give my mailing address.

capoeirista13
04-17-2009, 10:23 PM
My wishlist is simple...

The rest of my college tuition

Teufelhund
04-26-2009, 04:21 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah....I KNOIW it's an old post, but WT Heck?
Ok, here's the Devil Dog Plan for Americas bailout woes:

1) Every LEGAL American gets $1 million dollars. That comes to $385 million dollars +/- a few million...
a) people would pay off their mortgages and buy their homes thus solving the foreclosures and housing market. If the CEOs still didn't make their money back, TOUGH! Lynch them like we used to 100 yrs ago. I'm sure that their billions of $ a yr PROFIT will be used to help the homeless in America.
b) people would buy/pay off their cars, thus bailing out the morons at GM and Ford, who produced gasoline chugging tanks for ever rich, egocentric moron in LA and elsewhere instead of following the ecological desires of the population for the last 30 years. (Remember the 70's gas rations folks???) DUH!
c) everyone over 50 could retire and all those non-working socio-parasite skells on welfare would be given jobs and all the kids would take their places. Welcome to the world of employment!!
d) our old folks would be taken care of.

Just MY thought. Instead of the 9 TRILLION dollars, we would save our children, grand children and great grand children the debt and what? also make the kosher (xtortion)tax illegal and thus save Americans about $25 BILLION a year as well.
BTW, I'm running for President in 2012. HA!

Cheers!

DD

STLBrewer
04-27-2009, 09:10 AM
...bailing out the morons at GM and Ford...

Just for the record, it's GM and Chrysler that are in trouble...Ford is the only one of the "big three" that hasn't asked for (or taken, to my knowledge) a dime of government (read that OUR) money.

Just an observation...and no, I don't work for Ford! ;)

capoeirista13
04-27-2009, 09:14 AM
Wasn't Ford in big trouble before all of this happened though? I thought Ford was in deep shit.

ndbrewlady
04-27-2009, 09:19 AM
Ford didn't need it, they were tight but not in as much trouble. I do believe they have done a lot of bonus cutting and such to keep going.

I also believe that if money was giving to every "tax paying" citizen it would bail out the economy much more quickly.

STLBrewer
04-27-2009, 12:48 PM
There was an e-mail floating around for a while (which I got and have since deleted - DOH!) which stated something to the effect that if every tax paying citizen were to get a portion of the original $700 Billion bailout AND taxed on it, we would all receive about $274,000.

That's enough for me to do a LOT of spending and economy fixing!!!

Oh, and yes, Ford was a little tight on money but have taken the PROPER steps (IMO) to eliminate their suffering by cutting spending and eliminating corporate bonuses...it seems to have helped them out a lot.

capoeirista13
04-27-2009, 01:08 PM
there is no way that email was right, if it was we could have all just bought a car with it, then paid off all debts, or bought small plots of land w/ houses, lol