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PitBull
06-20-2011, 09:59 AM
I'm probably just missing it. But where is a complete listing of the deliminers for the search engine? For example, is the "and" finction and, AND, -AND-, &, +, or something else? I've seen a lot of variations in different programs.

I'm guessing that it's somewhere right under my nose. But if not, could it be made available in the "Search" pull-down for quick fererence?

Much thanks.:)

AToE
06-20-2011, 12:58 PM
I'm learning quickly that the search works a lot better than I thought it did, I'm just imcompetant! A list of what all these things do and mean and such would be very helpful for morons like me who know nothing about how that kind of thing works!

Chevette Girl
06-20-2011, 04:47 PM
I'm learning quickly that the search works a lot better than I thought it did, I'm just imcompetant! A list of what all these things do and mean and such would be very helpful for morons like me who know nothing about how that kind of thing works!

+1, nothing makes me feel dumber than trying to navigate search engine parameters these days (and not just this one). Well, that and calculus. ;D Which I was capable of, once upon a time...

SandmanATHF
06-20-2011, 10:16 PM
I always run into one problem, and that is when I do a search it says my search words are too short, so I use quotes ("") around the stuff and then for some reason the search function throws in *'s wherever spaces were! I can't figure it out haha

A list of the available tools to use with it would be greatly appreciated!

Loadnabox
06-21-2011, 08:26 AM
If I'm really itchy to get it right, I use google to search this site and use boolean parameters:

The following would search just www.gotmead.com for "Chocolate Syrup" but leave off results with the word "Orange" in them

site:www.gotmead.com "Chocolate Syrup" -Orange

PitBull
06-21-2011, 09:05 AM
If I'm really itchy to get it right, I use google to search this site and use boolean parameters:

The following would search just www.gotmead.com for "Chocolate Syrup" but leave off results with the word "Orange" in them

site:www.gotmead.com "Chocolate Syrup" -Orange
Where can we find a list of Google's boolean parameters? It seems like a very effective approach and Google is a great search engine. I'd like to give it a try, but hopefully, only for the short term.

We have a very good search engine right here. We only need a wee bit of information to make it more usable for everyone. Once everyone is on-board with the parameters, a lot of redundant questions will be eliminated.

Medsen Fey
06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
If someone will tell me what forum software this is, I'll try to locate a description of the search syntax that's required.

Loadnabox
06-21-2011, 09:25 AM
Where can we find a list of Google's boolean parameters? It seems like a very effective approach and Google is a great search engine. I'd like to give it a try, but hopefully, only for the short term.

We have a very good search engine right here. We only need a wee bit of information to make it more usable for everyone. Once everyone is on-board with the parameters, a lot of redundant questions will be eliminated.

about half way down this page there's a grid with search parameters. You'd be surprised how specific you can get with Google :)

http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/reference.html

Medsen Fey
06-21-2011, 10:26 AM
Apparently (looking at the bottom of the page - duhh!) we are using vBulletin. I found an interesting post on vBulletin.org.



This is probably the most often uttered comment on any technical forum including vbulletin.org- "Use the Search!" This is all well and good, assuming you know how to use the search, and know how to use it effectively.

One of the great things about a forum as old and as big as vBulletin.org is that most questions you have have been answered already but it is up to YOU to find them.

The first search option you see is at the top right of any page and looks like this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123523&stc=1&d=1289354788

This provides your basic search options... however the default options displayed aren't very effective for a good search. There are also some important limitations:

Limitations
Minimum Word Length: 3 Characters
Can't search common words
Can't search special characters (alpha numeric only)

Basic Search Syntax

Search multiple words use Boolean operators such as:
- AND (ex. ajax AND instant)
- OR (ex. ajax OR instant)
- NOT (ex. ajax NOT instant) or use the minus sign (-) (ex. ajax -instant)
Search for an exact phrase using quotes:
- (ex. "instant email")
Search for wild cards using asterisks (*)
- (ex. *mail)


There are basically 2 kinds of useless searches... one where there are NO results returned... obviously useless... and second, when there are TOO MANY results returned- also useless.

Often there's not much you can do about the first type but expand your search options- if you're searching "Titles Only" change it "All Posts." If you're searching just "3.8 Mods" search "All Mods" or even "All Forums" - Sometimes what you need to do isn't a mod but directions have been discussed in a version specific forum or the requests forum. If you're looking for a mod know that almost all 3.6 and 3.7 mods will work in 3.8. Usually if you skip to the last posts in a mod thread you'll see posts confirming which most recent version it works with. 3.x mods generally don't work with 4.x but some do so check the thread if you really need it, no doubt someone has tried it already.

If however you get too many results, which I often find to be the case, there are useful tips to help narrow down your search. First, most importantly, search "Titles Only." Seriously, this should be the default search behavior. 90% of the time (a statistic I just made up) what you're looking for will be in a thread title... Next, if you can, limit "All Forums" to something more specific... if it's a graphic pack search in "Graphics" only, if you know it's an article search in "Articles" only- basic stuff but this makes all the difference from getting 500 results returned on just a useful handful when searching.

Make sure you choose your search terms well... don't search for something like: How do I put PHP in a template? for one that won't even work because many words are less than 3 characters, but even if it did you would have a lot of irrelevant results. Instead search for just the main words like PHP AND Templates or even better search for the phrase "PHP in templates" (with the quotes.) Now you might say "but 'in' only has 2 letters, how can I search for it?" Ordinarily this is true, you can't search for "in" but since "in" is inside quotes you are searching for the entire phrase and it is perfectly acceptable.

If you click on the small down pointing triangle on the right of the search box you will get a search menu that looks like this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123521&stc=1&d=1289354788
Search Options

Today's Posts - Posts made within the last 24 hours.
New Community Posts - New posts made in the "Forums" section of vBulletin.org
New Modification Posts - Mods with new posts added to vBulletin.org
Unanswered Threads - These are threads with zero replies meaning someone asked a question and no one answered. This option is often used by mods and people who generally answer questions so if you "bump" your thread by adding a reply to it you are really doing yourself a disservice because it will no longer show up as "unanswered."
Latest Modification Releases - This is a lot like New Modification Posts but lists only New Mods whether you've read the thread or not. Also it sorts by the newest release date of the mod rather than the most recent post in the mod thread.
Advanced Search - This provides useful options to further refine your search. Use "Advanced Search" if you want to limit your search to a single specific forum and/or you want to search for a specific username. You can also specify a time period (dates) to help narrow your search.


Finally since the vast majority of vBulletin.org is open to the public you can search the forum using Google. When you use Google you don't have the limitations imposed by the vBulletin search engine. Google searches can be very useful.

To limit Google to return results only on a specific site (domain) simply add site:vbulletin.org after your search terms. Look at this example:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123522&stc=1&d=1289354788

So if you're looking for "Master Forum" on vBulletin type the following into Google:
Master Forum site:vbulletin.org
and you will get back all public pages with "Master" and "Forum" on vBulletin... and because Google is good at what it does you will get the most relevant results first such as threads with "Master Forum" in the title and ones that have the phrase "Master Forum" before say ones that might say "Forum Master." These little differences in functionality can make finding what you are looking for in just a few seconds compared to many minutes looking through pages of results returned by the built in vBulletin search engine.

This is a nifty trick for searching any domain with google, not just vBulletin.org- but remember only content guests can see will be listed. For vBulletin.org this means text inside code blocks-


Code:
---------------
Code is only visible to licensed users, and only when logged into the forums.
---------------


Is NOT visible to guests and therefore won't be part of Google's results. If you need to find text inside code tags you must use the built in vBulletin search.


Enjoy Your Searching :)



In addition, this pictorial representation may help some folks get a better idea of how this works.

PitBull
06-21-2011, 11:11 AM
This is just the information for which I was searching:

Limitations:
Minimum Word Length: 3 Characters
Can't search common words
Can't search special characters (alpha numeric only)

Basic Search Syntax:
Search multiple words use Boolean operators such as:
- AND (ex. ajax AND instant)
- OR (ex. ajax OR instant)
- NOT (ex. ajax NOT instant) or use the minus sign (-) (ex. ajax -instant)
Search for an exact phrase using quotes:
- (ex. "instant email")
Search for wild cards using asterisks (*)
- (ex. *mail)

I now have it bookmarked. The only thing that could make it better is to have it a everyone's fingertips in the "Search" pulldown. After all, new members may never see Medsen's explanation of the above, unless they happen to get a "hit" using the search engine.

skunkboy
06-21-2011, 12:40 PM
Venn Diagrams! The horror, the horror.... ;-}

Chevette Girl
06-22-2011, 09:49 AM
I now have it bookmarked. The only thing that could make it better is to have it a everyone's fingertips in the "Search" pulldown. After all, new members may never see Medsen's explanation of the above, unless they happen to get a "hit" using the search engine.

I second that. Very useful.

Thank you, Pitbull, for asking, and thank you, Medsen, for digging up the info!