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Chevette Girl
07-16-2011, 05:12 PM
Ok, yes, my Chevettes forum went bellyup and I'm jonesing to talk about cars... so what do you drive, what do you want to drive realistically and fantastically? What do you love/hate in a car or truck?

I love driving rear-wheel drive and I love small cars. Unfortunately they haven't made Chevettes in over 20 years now and now I think the only other small rwd vehicle available would be the Miata, which does not come in 4-door models, which is a requirement of mine...

Having driven new cars, I HATE ABS (it's almost gotten me killed once already, let me work the damn pedals thank you very much) and I cannot abide a car with a signal clicker that sounds like a little kid playing with a metal juice cap, and it makes me feel ill when I sit in a new car that gets WORSE gas mileage than my 29-year old carbureted engine was originally rated for. So when my beloved Little Beast finally goes to the great parts yard in the sky, I'll probably suck it up, learn how not to kill myself in snow with front wheel drive, and replace her with a Toyota Yaris. Last I checked the base model didn't have ABS and so many of my friends have gone over to Toyota that I'm liking what I'm seeing, if I HAVE to get dragged to the 21st century.

I'm a child of the 70's so I have a real thing for big old muscle cars, although as much as I don't think I'd ever buy a North American car again (unless it's a Chevette) I do really really like what they've done with the new Dodge Challenger (although I loathe the new Charger).

If money and pollution were no object, I'd want a 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme. That's what I learned to drive on (well, that and a 1976 Delta 88 but the Cutlass is far sexier) and it was just a dream to drive (till you had to park it somewhere tight, but hey, I learned how, dammit).

AToE
07-16-2011, 06:41 PM
I'm on my third Chevy Cavalier, all have been early 90's, this one's a 94. These things are tanks, cheap, piece of junk tanks! My first one would still be running for sure and be over 300,000km by now if I hadn't written it off on a deer going 140/130kph...

I like modest cars anyways, I'm not really into displays of wealth. If I had a nice car it'd be a cool muscle car, or a cool heares... or one of those 30's-ish gangster cars.

If I had lots of excess money I'd buy a very early 90's Cavalier and have it restored completely... just to see the looks on peoples' faces when I told them! ;D

1k_wayne
07-17-2011, 12:03 AM
I had a couple Chevette's many years ago, an '80 scooter, and an '85 CS. The scooter was great, I never should have traded in for the CS, that car couldn't keep a transmission together until I found a 5 speed for it (yes, some of them actually came with a 5 speed). Got rid of it around '93 since I needed a pickup for work. Had a friend with an older Deisel Chevette with an auto transmission. That thing was so slow he kept a brick on the floor, when the light turned green he just put it on the accelerator and left it there, we called it his cruise control. It would only go about 60-65mph depending on wind and grade, but got over 50mpg in town, and close to 60mpg on the highway.

I've got a '64 Baja Bug with a body lift, roll cage, and the engine is nowhere near stock (1.8l, Weber, headers, cam, etc...) It's never seen a northern winter so there's no rust, but it is kinda beat up. It desperately needs a new interior and I really should install a new wiring harness too. Honestly I'm more into bikes than cars. I've got a Suzuki SV1000S and a KLR650, and I put more miles on them than I do on my pickup or Bug combined.

I took my SV down to the Great Smokey mountains last month:

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l342/1k_wayne/motorcycle/svrally%2011/6.jpg

commonsenseman
07-17-2011, 07:59 AM
CG, thought of getting an old BMW? Something like this one?

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt110/commonsenseman/80sBMW.jpg

Anywho, I used to be a cadillac guy, but now that I have a family I drive a Chevy Malibu. Not my first choice in a car. If I had my say, I'd have a muscle car too, probably either a Mopar or a GM.

At least I still have my truck, makes me feel more manly than the Malibu. Now that I think about it, neither of our cars get decent gas mileage though. GEO Metro here we come?

I almost forgot. We had two chevettes growing up. One was bright red, the other was bright yellow, we called them ketchup & mustard. Man do vinyl seats get hot in the sun.....

Echostatic
07-17-2011, 11:22 AM
I like older sports/muscle cars. My first car was a black 1981 Trans Am with gold trim. ~30,000 miles, immaculate, all original. My parents bought it for me dirt cheap, before they were really worth anything. I want a 1961 Cadillac, go find a 500 v8, build it up a bit, get a TH-400 transmission and drop it all in, make it fast. Right now I have a black 1968 Grand Prix that I want to sell and a 1989 Turbo Trans Am that sadly had this happen about 16 hours ago...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/echostatic/03326dde.jpg

Went under an SUV, which wasn't damaged in the least. Fortunately it all looks cosmetic...

TheAlchemist
07-17-2011, 12:52 PM
I'm a Mustang Woman, myself. On my thrid. Mister Ed is 2005 V6 manual. Would consider something with better mileage, though.

Chevette Girl
07-17-2011, 04:48 PM
I had a couple Chevette's many years ago, an '80 scooter, and an '85 CS. The scooter was great, I never should have traded in for the CS, that car couldn't keep a transmission together until I found a 5 speed for it (yes, some of them actually came with a 5 speed). Got rid of it around '93 since I needed a pickup for work. Had a friend with an older Deisel Chevette with an auto transmission. That thing was so slow he kept a brick on the floor, when the light turned green he just put it on the accelerator and left it there, we called it his cruise control. It would only go about 60-65mph depending on wind and grade, but got over 50mpg in town, and close to 60mpg on the highway.

Nice... Yeah, seems just about everyone had a Chevette or knew someone who did. I had a friend who had a diesel 'vette but I don't remember how he said it drove... Oddly enough, this is my fourth Chevette/Acadian (1986 Acadian, two 87 'vettes and the Beast is an 82 Acadian) and it's the only one that isn't a scooter and wasn't 5-speed (at least by the time I was done with it) and I have the 5-speed tranny from #1 waiting in the garage but I can't seem to kill this automatic! It leaks but I never top it up till it starts shifting funny and it still goes just fine (well, if you account for the fact that Chevettes new off the line had 68 horsepower, so let's just say long sloping uphills are not our friends and we get passed by transport trucks)... A Baja Bug? Cool. My parents both had Beetles when they got married but then the got an Afghan Hound and then the year after that they had me, so they upgraded to giant Oldsmobiles...




Went under an SUV, which wasn't damaged in the least. Fortunately it all looks cosmetic...

:o OH NO!! well, at least if you're going to go underneath something, the wedge-shaped nose is appropriate, but geez, I hate seeing stuff like that happen to nice cars... :( Glad you're OK and the Trans Am should be too...


I'm a Mustang Woman, myself. On my thrid. Mister Ed is 2005 V6 manual. Would consider something with better mileage, though.


I can understand that, I wasn't too happy with what they did to 'stangs in the 80's but I do like the recent developments, I think they captured the older style well in the last few years. And even at 29 years old, the Beast is still getting well over 400 km on a 40 litre tank. Which is better than my old roommate's Cavalier!

And ATOE, I do understand, Chevettes are hardly fancy classics but I just like driving them so much that I've dumpled a lot more money into keeping them on the road than any sane person probably should... I got this one off an old lady's estate at 20 years old with 90,000 km on it, but although it runs fine and isn't going to fall to pieces on me (it better not!), it's rather in bad need of a paintjob cause it looks pretty crappy right now after I finally did some bodywork on it last year and couldn't find an exact match for the paint...


CG, thought of getting an old BMW? Something like this one?

Anywho, I used to be a cadillac guy, but now that I have a family I drive a Chevy Malibu. Not my first choice in a car. If I had my say, I'd have a muscle car too, probably either a Mopar or a GM.

At least I still have my truck, makes me feel more manly than the Malibu. Now that I think about it, neither of our cars get decent gas mileage though. GEO Metro here we come?

I almost forgot. We had two chevettes growing up. One was bright red, the other was bright yellow, we called them ketchup & mustard. Man do vinyl seats get hot in the sun.....

Thought about it, but new Beemers are expensive and I think I'm getting near done with old cars, I don't have enough room to do a lot of my own work anymore and after the Chevette carks, I want my garage back... and I'm tired of travelling with half my tools and a box fo spare parts under the front seat, just in case I need to put something back on on the side of the road. The one thing I absolutely insist on is my car being reliable, and when it becomes unsafe or I'm not confident that it's going to get me where I need to go, that is when I start looking around... The Beast has only been on a tow truck about 5 times in 9 years, which I consider to be not too bad (tossed timing belt, choked fuel filter, broken control arm, timing belt tensioner fell right off, and one or two other random things). The rest of the time I've either been able to limp her to the garage or get her fixed up by myself on the side of the road (I can change out an alternator or a heater core faster than my mechanic now!). Not to say that I don't expect her to get me there, I'm just prepared for every now and then when stuff happens, which one does expect when one's daily commute added up to 500 km/week.

Ketchup and Mustard, that's cute. Funny, all the 'vettes I've had had the fabric seats, the only vinyl seat I remember becoming stuck to was The Pig (76 Delta 88 ).

1k_wayne
07-17-2011, 09:41 PM
Nice... Yeah, seems just about everyone had a Chevette or knew someone who did. I had a friend who had a diesel 'vette but I don't remember how he said it drove... Oddly enough, this is my fourth Chevette/Acadian (1986 Acadian, two 87 'vettes and the Beast is an 82 Acadian) and it's the only one that isn't a scooter and wasn't 5-speed (at least by the time I was done with it) and I have the 5-speed tranny from #1 waiting in the garage but I can't seem to kill this automatic! It leaks but I never top it up till it starts shifting funny and it still goes just fine (well, if you account for the fact that Chevettes new off the line had 68 horsepower, so let's just say long sloping uphills are not our friends and we get passed by transport trucks)... A Baja Bug? Cool. My parents both had Beetles when they got married but then the got an Afghan Hound and then the year after that they had me, so they upgraded to giant Oldsmobiles...


That's interesting, when I was looking for transmissions, I could only find 4 speeds and autos. I had to look it up, the diesel was rated at 51hp :p

I did the Baja conversion about 15 years ago when I blew a brake line, it had the single piston system so all I had left was one E-brake in the rear. The impact pretty much crushed it from the gas tank forward, but the passenger compartment was OK. I used a 1 piece Mark V (http://www.markvfiberglass.com/), and it also got a new dual piston master cylinder and a disc brake conversion kit.

Chevette Girl
07-17-2011, 11:30 PM
That's interesting, when I was looking for transmissions, I could only find 4 speeds and autos. I had to look it up, the diesel was rated at 51hp :p

I did the Baja conversion about 15 years ago when I blew a brake line, it had the single piston system so all I had left was one E-brake in the rear. The impact pretty much crushed it from the gas tank forward, but the passenger compartment was OK. I used a 1 piece Mark V (http://www.markvfiberglass.com/), and it also got a new dual piston master cylinder and a disc brake conversion kit.

The blue 'vette that I stuffed all the good guts from the red one into and then painted purple had a 4-speed but the previous owners had used it to tow a trailer halfway across the country, when I took out the drain plug, there were pieces of transmission teeth stuck to it with sludge... but it still drove OK, didn't shift hard or crunch or anything, even with a crummy half-burned clutch... so it got Red's 5-speed too... I think my 'vettes are dual cylinder, even when you could see fluid pissing through the hole in the breakline, there was still some braking even without e-brake.

tweak'e
07-18-2011, 02:23 AM
Having driven new cars, I HATE ABS (it's almost gotten me killed once already, let me work the damn pedals thank you very much)

would like to know how the ABS almost got you killed ?

i'm in the middle of doing an engine conversion on my toyota surf 4x4. for offroad use i hate ABS. but on tarseal i wish i had it !

Meriadoc
07-18-2011, 06:30 AM
I can understand that, I wasn't too happy with what they did to 'stangs in the 80's but I do like the recent developments, I think they captured the older style well in the last few years.

Aah...! The first car I ever bought, once I was a fresh-out-of-undergrad, suddenly-wage-earning bachelor, was a '90 Mustang GT. Man, that was a fun car! (Although, I have to admit, I like the look of the recent model years better, too...!)

Chevette Girl
07-18-2011, 02:48 PM
would like to know how the ABS almost got you killed ?

i'm in the middle of doing an engine conversion on my toyota surf 4x4. for offroad use i hate ABS. but on tarseal i wish i had it !

It was on snowy pavement, with a minivan I was driving while the 'vette was in the shop, going around a curve I'm very familiar with without ABS at admittedly perhaps the higher end of a safe speed I'd take it in the 'vette under similar conditions, I hit the brakes and held them hard like you're supposed to when you have ABS, heard/felt the ABS kick in, and we just kept going forward, and kept going, and kept going... I had to steer it into the ditch beside the stop sign I was about to blow through because it barely slowed down and there was a transport truck coming crossways. Yeah, sure it lets you maintain control of steering when you'd otherwise have locked the wheels, but it doesn't stop the damn car! I had another friend experience the same thing before when braking strongly, new to ABS, she knew her old car would have stopped fine in the distance she had, but she had to steer around the car she was avoiding and was five feet past it by the time hers finally came to a halt, lucky for her there were wide paved shoulders.

Earlier that day with the ABS off on that thing I nailed the brakes hard enough to lock them (Brake Check!) on a snowy straight-away just to see what would happen, and the ass-end tried to come around to see what was the matter. This, this I understand, but so long as you have the control of your vehicle to avoid actually locking up the wheels so you can still steer, gimme straight brakes any day. After I got back up to speed on the same road, I did a more controlled brake without locking the wheels, and it stopped fine. My opinion may change if I ever drive something with power brakes, but unless you're on ice or the pavement's around -40, it's hard to lock the wheels on the 'vette (that time I hit the brakes strongly because a light turned yellow and I do generally follow "can I stop?" rahter than "can I make it through?", the tires made an obliging "SKREEK" noise and we didn't slow down at all, so I put foot back on gas and got through the intersection in time. Healthy reminder about cold tires on cold pavement, hate to think what might have happened had they been all-seasons and not winters!)

Then again, I'm often found in empty snowy parking lots practicing getting into and out of skids, and I drift snowy corners in winter whenever safe... I am soooo not looking forward to reprogramming all that when I have to get front wheel drive... Doing this with your all-seasons in fall and then again once the snow tires are on gives one a major appreciation for why you would want actual winter tires and not trust the job to all-seasons. That, and it's embarrassing getting stuck on 1" of snow at the top of a hill because you have no weight over your drive wheels :P.

wayneb
07-18-2011, 03:54 PM
If money and pollution were no object, I'd want a 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme. That's what I learned to drive on (well, that and a 1976 Delta 88 but the Cutlass is far sexier) and it was just a dream to drive (till you had to park it somewhere tight, but hey, I learned how, dammit).

Well, as someone who grew up in the 60's (and saw 'old school' muscle when it was showroom new), I want my first car again - a '68 Olds Cutlass 442. I got the original in 1973 dirt cheap from my aunt, who was a GM employee and got a new car every few years from them at an incredible discount. She was the classic "little old lady from..." who always drove more car than she needed. ;D

That was a truly impressive acceleration machine - especially since it was one of the component groupings with a 3-speed auto tranny, so many of my peers poo-poohed the car at first, until I took them for a ride! ;) Yeah, I know, the claim that many seem to make, that the '4-4-2' stood for 4 barrel carb, 4-speed stick and dual exhaust, was true only in very early Olds marketing (circa 1964 when the 442 moniker stood for a performance package that Olds put into their police cruiser chassis) but in fact that was never the config for the majority of 442s that hit the streets. And IMO, the only manual tranny worth getting in a 442 is not a real manual shift - it is the Hurst/Olds package. Those were a sweet early interpretation of auto/manual hybrids. The straight-up manuals that found their way into plain vanilla 442s tended to self-destruct after a couple of years - typical GM engineering of the day, not matching the tranny to the torque and HP characteristics of the engine.

Do I miss my old Olds? Yes. Do I wish that I could afford another one now? Yes! Would I rather have a Hurst/Olds of the same vintage? Well, Duh! Of course!! ;D

Chevette Girl
07-18-2011, 04:01 PM
Well, as someone who grew up in the 60's (and saw 'old school' muscle when it was showroom new), I want my first car again - a '68 Olds Cutlass 442.

Do I miss my old Olds? Yes. Do I wish that I could afford another one now? Yes! Would I rather have a Hurst/Olds of the same vintage? Well, Duh! Of course!! ;D

Awwwww, an Olds 442!! I think I just swooned a little there...;D

Before he died, I bought my dad a Hot Wheels model Olds 442 because I couldn't find a Delta or Cutlass for him... It's still in its blister pack, never opened :)

My Cutlass had the sport-tranny, so it would get you fast pretty quick too. Could pass anything but the gas station... Of course, in its later years, when you nailed the gas hard, there was a bit of time lapse before passing gear would kick in, like it was asking, "Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? Hang on then!" and it would belch out some brown smoke and go like stink. Only better acceleration I remember was when my uncle took me out in his RX-7 with the rotary engine... nailed the gas and embedded me in the seat upholstery :)

gurn_bot
07-18-2011, 04:53 PM
I have to say that I'm more than a little bit jealous reading this thread! ???
My first car was a 1.3 litre Hyundai, and after a year of driving I moved to the States (from the UK) and was young and determined to show you Americans that European cars were better than your yankee heaps of steel, so I got myself a VW Corrado G60 (the 1.8 litre supercharged version).

Man did I love that car! And I've wanted one again ever since... and I grew up in the UK the late 80's early 90's when all the best cars came from Japan, so I love all those 3 litre twin turbocharged rockets of the era.

But now when I play Gran Turismo 5, and I have the greatest cars of all eras at my fingertips to play with, it's the American muscle that ends up on the screen :o I LOVe the style of a good old American sports car. And yes, I'm glad they're bringing some of it back lately!

I now live in the valleys where Benz and Porsche more or less invented cars in the late 19th century. Visit the museums and the history of these companies is mouth-watering. But give me 1970s Dodge Charger over a 911 any day of the week! (Actually, just give me one... please :D)

veritas
07-18-2011, 04:54 PM
2005 duramax diesel crew cab of course I had to do a lot of THINGS to make it the way I wanted but I really like the truck.

Chevette Girl
07-18-2011, 05:03 PM
I now live in the valleys where Benz and Porsche more or less invented cars in the late 19th century. Visit the museums and the history of these companies is mouth-watering. But give me 1970s Dodge Charger over a 911 any day of the week! (Actually, just give me one... please :D)

Nice... There are a couple years where Porsche made a 911 that looks like a car but on the whole I think they're ugly. 70's Dodge Charger though, oooohhhhh.... Makes me think of that scene in xXx where he's racing around Europe in a Pontiac GTO...

The UK has Chevettes too, made by Vauxhall... also Opel Kadett elsewhere in Europe, not sure if that's Germany or Nederlands or where. Not that anyone cares about Chevettes much anymore :rolleyes:, they ARE silly little cars.

I'd never heard of the VW Corrado G60, had to go look it up. I think I know a guy who's still got a Rabbit on the road though!

TheAlchemist
07-18-2011, 05:44 PM
My first Mustang was an '86 manual. Got 36mpg with that one. Followed that w/ a '96automatic. After about 5 years I would have been ready for another Mustang, but I didn't like the looks of what they were making then, so I just held out until the 2005 beauty. Not too pleased w/ the mileage on this one, though, despite the manual transmission.

Loadnabox
07-18-2011, 06:40 PM
My first car was a 1980 Honda Prelude my dad gave to me at graduation. I always loved how sporty it was with a little tiny cvcc engine. If I had the money, I would get one and put a Subaru flat 4 with turbo under the hood (Like the one in the WRX) Stock my 1980 prelude could whip a 90's vintage V6 stang in a quarter mile. It's engine was barely 80 HP, imagine what it would do with a couple hundred from the sporty WRX powerhouse.

My next car was a '97 Ford ranger 2WD. By the time I left Idaho I had gotten so good at driving it on every kind of surface, famous last words were "You'll need 4wd to do this" Videos of me driving it (that I have now lost :( ) that were posted on the internet garnered comments to the effect of "You're lying, you're a professional rally truck driver, there's no way you can pull this driving off"

Somewhere in there I did actually get a Suzuki Samurai. The kid that owned it before me rear ended a Jeep and messed up the front pretty good but didn't hurt the frame. I replaced a timing belt, timing cover and water pump. Put a used nose clip into place to re-make the engine compartment. By the time I was done I had all of $500 into it and used to joke, "I could roll this thing off a cliff and so long as everyone was safe it'd be a hell of an experience"

In between there was a series of unmemorable vehicles, then my '96 Cavalier which simply won't die. I had a '82 Honda Silverwing 650 Interstate edition bike (was funny riding it around at Daygton Bike Week and jump starting Harleys :) and now I've finally got a truck again... well... my nused SUV, but I'm enjoying my Pathfinder for now :)

Riverat
07-18-2011, 07:11 PM
I've had a few favorites but my current is a 1963 Chevy short bed, step side K10 (first year for a factory chevy 4 wheel drive) And it's restored, not perfect under the hood, the dash has a spot that needs some work but prettty much brand new.



http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3072/83/47/557409014/n557409014_1551499_8388425.jpg?dl=1

TheAlchemist
07-18-2011, 08:15 PM
I've had a few favorites but my current is a 1963 Chevy short bed...

Very Cute!

caffeine211
07-18-2011, 09:15 PM
Nice... There are a couple years where Porsche made a 911 that looks like a car but on the whole I think they're ugly.

*cries*

I learned to drive in an automatic BMW 318, then learned to drive stick in a '95 BMW M3. I don't know what my dad was thinking, letting a 17 year old take that thing out. Looking back I'm just glad I never crashed it doing so many stupid things (or even get a speeding ticket!). Ever since I drove that car (and a few newer models) I have been in love with it. I'm hoping to buy an older one in the next year or two once my '06 Jetta is paid off.

My Jetta has been great. It is fun to drive, maybe a little big for my tastes, but gets great gas mileage (24 city, 32 highway).

My dream car, though, is a Porsche 911 Turbo... *drools* I got to drive one once with permission to do whatever I wanted. It may have been the best 60 minutes of my life. I like to think of them as a miniature version of god.

Chevette Girl
07-18-2011, 09:28 PM
I've had a few favorites but my current is a 1963 Chevy short bed, step side K10 (first year for a factory chevy 4 wheel drive) And it's restored, not perfect under the hood, the dash has a spot that needs some work but prettty much brand new.


Now, that IS sweet.



My next car was a '97 Ford ranger 2WD. By the time I left Idaho I had gotten so good at driving it on every kind of surface, famous last words were "You'll need 4wd to do this" Videos of me driving it (that I have now lost :( ) that were posted on the internet garnered comments to the effect of "You're lying, you're a professional rally truck driver, there's no way you can pull this driving off"

Somewhere in there I did actually get a Suzuki Samurai. The kid that owned it before me rear ended a Jeep and messed up the front pretty good but didn't hurt the frame. I replaced a timing belt, timing cover and water pump. Put a used nose clip into place to re-make the engine compartment. By the time I was done I had all of $500 into it and used to joke, "I could roll this thing off a cliff and so long as everyone was safe it'd be a hell of an experience"

In between there was a series of unmemorable vehicles, then my '96 Cavalier which simply won't die. I had a '82 Honda Silverwing 650 Interstate edition bike (was funny riding it around at Daygton Bike Week and jump starting Harleys :) and now I've finally got a truck again... well... my nused SUV, but I'm enjoying my Pathfinder for now :)



Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've one Chevette or another to jumpstart many other vehicles far newer... ("far better!" my roommate chimes in)... That is so awesome with your Ranger, when you really "get" a vehicle it's amazing what you can do sometimes. The stuff I get up to in the 'vette... :) But then I've been driving one for over 15 years, by now I SHOULD know how to handle them. Like a 2wd truck, only much littler. And only 4" clearance on a good day (although once I get going 6" of snow isn't that big a problem... 8", yeah, I get stuck. It is only a Chevette after all).

I have not been so financially lucky with my vehicles, but so far I'm not going to complain, they always get me to as safe a place as they can manage before cacking, and I always seem to catch things (like a shock absorber popped out of where it belongs and rubbing against my gas line) BEFORE it's critical...

And Caffeine211, as much as I hate the look of most of them, I've heard that Porsches are a really awesome drive (my brother in-law had one so my hubby's been in one), don't take it personally that I hate the bubble-butt look, I mean, I love Chevettes, I think they're cute, so that's gotta say something about my tastes! A friend of mine has two diesel Jettas and swears by 'em ("You learn to be a patient driver!"), I'd think about one but the parts are crazy expensive, especially body bits, or so I've been led to believe. At least Hondas and Toyotas are manufactured in this country...

wayneb
07-18-2011, 10:11 PM
I've had a few favorites but my current is a 1963 Chevy short bed, step side K10 (first year for a factory chevy 4 wheel drive) And it's restored, not perfect under the hood, the dash has a spot that needs some work but prettty much brand new.



Sweet! I admit - I like almost anything built in the 1955-1970 era. Styling was as important as performance, and although Detroit products had begun their long, slow decline into near-oblivion by then, most of what they built at least had some redeeming value!

I've gone from owning that Olds, to a 1980 Chevette, to a 1984 Honda Accord, to an '88 Honda CRX Si, to a '92 Dodge Dakota (that was a mistake!) to a '94 Chrysler minivan (the beginning of our "baby on board" era) to a '96 Subaru Outback (which we still own and if it weren't for my son wrecking it while trying to avoid a deer last month, we'd still be driving) to our two Jeeps ('86 Cherokee and '99 Grand Cherokee). Funny how I've come back to US products in the past few years simply because they were the best for our situation (4WD mandatory in these Colorado mountain winters, although the Outback got thru most of the time). I'm not particularly fond of modern Mopar, especially considering all the work that I have to do on that '99 to keep it on the road. Oh, and I managed to pick up a 1950 Olds 88 along the way, as a nostalgia project car! ;)

My two most fun rides were the Olds and the CRX, though. Wish I had 'em both back again!

PitBull
07-19-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm a child of the 70's so I have a real thing for big old muscle cars, although as much as I don't think I'd ever buy a North American car again (unless it's a Chevette) I do really really like what they've done with the new Dodge Challenger (although I loathe the new Charger).
I had a brand new 1978 Trans Am. Black with red valor interior, T-tops, 6.6-liter engine, 4-speed Hurst shifter and the “giant chicken” on the hood. And don’t forget the 8-track player! This car was super sharp, similar to the one in “Smokey and the Bandit”, but actually had more options. It listed for $8,600 and, at that time, they were going for full sticker price. But I had a cousin who was a District Manager for Pontiac and got it for cost, $6,800. As a young engineer, fresh out of college, I was in heaven.

This car could pass anything on the highway, except a gas station. It got 13 miles/gallon, highway or city driving. OUCH! (Who remembers the Arab Oil Embargo?) It had a 160 miles-per-hour speedometer. I once got it up to “P” miles per hours on I-80. By that, I mean I-80 was clear and the truckers were going in excess of 80 MPH. A long, straight stretch of highway, completely clear of traffic greeted me… and I punched it. The speedometer did not have a little peg to stop the speedometer needle once it got past the end of its range. The needle was soon pointing straight down, to the “P” on the “MPH” label at the bottom of the speedometer. I estimate that I was traveling at about 185 to 190 MPH. The car then started to shake a bit, so I immediately backed off the gas. What a rush! And how VERY stupid.

On my 40th birthday, I had a cousin ask me if I ever thought that I would reach 40 years of age. After a brief reflection, I said “Absolutely. Making it to 30 was kind of questionable. But after hitting 30, some common sense set in and 40 was no problem at all.”

Loadnabox
07-19-2011, 10:16 AM
On my 40th birthday, I had a cousin ask me if I ever thought that I would reach 40 years of age. After a brief reflection, I said “Absolutely. Making it to 30 was kind of questionable. But after hitting 30, some common sense set in and 40 was no problem at all.”

I know the feeling.


I was once pulled over for doing 114 in a 55 outside of Elko, NV. I was driving a Chevy Suburban.

I realized it was a cop with one of the super low profile light bars right as I passed him. I pulled over and waited for him without the lights even coming on. Sure it was the middle of nowhere, but in the middle of nowhere there's nowhere to run or hide.

First the cop asked why I was going 114, to which I replied "The governor kicks in at 115"

He gave me a dirty look then told me, "You should know, the only reason you're not going to jail is because you pulled over. If you had made me chase your A** down you'd be in cuffs right now"

Chevette Girl
07-19-2011, 12:55 PM
He gave me a dirty look then told me, "You should know, the only reason you're not going to jail is because you pulled over. If you had made me chase your A** down you'd be in cuffs right now"

Niiice... especially the part about the governor... sounds like something my brother in law would say... A quote after he'd been pulled over: "Do you realize you just drove through a stop sign? "Fuck off, really? Where?" Somehow he didn't even get a ticket...

I have actually gotten a speeding ticket in my Chevette. Yes, I considered having it framed. Although the fastest I've gone in one (the last one) is around 160 km/h (yes it was down a hill, shut up), the speedo only goes to 140 and I had it down to "right signal indicator), my dad told me he had the Pig (Delta 88 ) at "right signal indicator", but its top speedometer reading was 100 MILES per hour and being a much bigger dashboard console, had a lot further to go to get there than on a Chevette.

I love 70's cars but they're the same age range as I am. I'm only 7 years older than my current Beast. And my Cutlass (only 2 years older than me) got the same mileage as Pitbull's Trans Am... and that's back when I was 17 and gas was $.60 per litre. It's just over double that now (more than $4.50 per US gallon).

tweak'e
07-21-2011, 12:07 AM
[COLOR="Purple"]It was on snowy pavement, with a minivan I was driving while the 'vette was in the shop, going around a curve I'm very familiar with without ABS at admittedly perhaps the higher end of a safe speed I'd take it in the 'vette under similar conditions, I hit the brakes and held them hard like you're supposed to when you have ABS, heard/felt the ABS kick in, and we just kept going forward, and kept going, and kept going... I had to steer it into the ditch beside the stop sign I was about to blow through because it barely slowed down and there was a transport truck coming crossways.

at a guess without ABS you would have crashed.
having said that i have never driven snow so i don't know if braking is similar to gravel. on any slick surface ABS is always better than a without ABS, simply because you can't get traction if the wheels lock up. however on things like mud/gravel where locking the brakes actually helps get traction, ABS is a major pain.

i simply think you simply didn't adjust your driving to suit the different vehicle. you simply can't treat different vehicle the same, especial in high risk situations. you can't just slam on the brakes any old time and expect it to stop.
i spent many years as a tradesman driving multiable different vehicles each day. that was probably the best driving training you could get.

tho i've had similar experience simply caused by a change of tires.

Loadnabox
07-21-2011, 08:30 AM
at a guess without ABS you would have crashed.
having said that i have never driven snow so i don't know if braking is similar to gravel. on any slick surface ABS is always better than a without ABS, simply because you can't get traction if the wheels lock up. however on things like mud/gravel where locking the brakes actually helps get traction, ABS is a major pain.


Not true Tweake. I've seen testing done where if you are a very experienced driver and have the presence of mind NOT to just lock up the tires non-ABS is better.

ABS is better in most cases since most people aren't that good of drivers and don't have that level of self control in an emergency braking situation.

AToE
07-21-2011, 05:15 PM
Ice is fun to drive on, I once did a complete 360 spin at somewhere between 70 and 80 kph and managed to pull out of it and just keep driving (pickup trucks are HORRIBLE for ice and snow, fishtail all over the place and get stuck super easy because they have no weight at all on the drive tires unless you carry around a load of sandbags...).

The main key to driving on ice is if you notice you're slipping do nothing. Do not turn, do not break, do not accellerate. If you're drifting then make very slow gentle adjustment turns of the wheel (not while accellerating or breaking), we're talking very small though, like a couple inches max of movement on the driving wheel. Then if you have to break do so extremely gently. But definitely only do any of that after a moment of doing absolutely nothing but assess the situation! Panic is bad.

It's better to crash on your own terms than to do something too drastic and crash out of control.

I've been in a ton of situations driving up here where I could have died pretty easily, I've seen people flip their cars end over end (with 30 feet of clean snow between where they left the road and landed, so we're talking seriously airborne...) just by drifting slightly into the snowbank.

But as long as you aren't getting killed, driving in the winter is serious fun. ;D

TheAlchemist
07-21-2011, 06:00 PM
Ice is fun...But as long as you aren't getting killed, driving in the winter is serious fun. ;D

Hmmm...You have a rather interesting perspective on "fun."

wayneb
07-21-2011, 06:04 PM
Hmmm...You have a rather interesting perspective on "fun."

I share his perspective. But when you grow up driving on snow and ice, your perspective is warped accordingly! ;D

Loadnabox
07-22-2011, 08:31 AM
The main key to driving on ice is if you notice you're slipping do nothing.

I disagree with this statement.

Generally if you have broken a drive wheel free it's because you were applying too much power. If that's the case leaving the accelerator where it is will increase the wheel spin enough to start into the spin.

You need to release the accelerator just enough that wheel spin is neutral to the ground movement. You leave the accelerator there until the vehicle has straightened out. Too much or too little throttle and you have the same problem with slippage between the ground and tire.

If the vehicle isn't straightening on it's own you definitely need to steer into the turn. If you over or under compensated on the throttle this is a very likely scenario.

tweak'e
07-23-2011, 02:29 AM
Not true Tweake. I've seen testing done where if you are a very experienced driver and have the presence of mind NOT to just lock up the tires non-ABS is better.

ABS is better in most cases since most people aren't that good of drivers and don't have that level of self control in an emergency braking situation.

i seriously doubt it.

short of a race car driver on full alert, its darn near impossible to apply full brakes on an unknown friction surface without under braking or over braking (locking up). considering that most emergency braking situations that i've been in you only have one shot at it. getting off the brakes and back on chews up a lot of time and distance.

Chevette Girl
07-24-2011, 06:40 PM
I share his perspective. But when you grow up driving on snow and ice, your perspective is warped accordingly! ;D

Agreed! I am now confident I can handle snow (only took me 15 years practice). Ice, not so much, because sometiems there really is nothing you can do. I think the biggest key to it is to relax and don't do anything sudden.





I disagree with this statement.

Generally if you have broken a drive wheel free it's because you were applying too much power. If that's the case leaving the accelerator where it is will increase the wheel spin enough to start into the spin.

You need to release the accelerator just enough that wheel spin is neutral to the ground movement. You leave the accelerator there until the vehicle has straightened out. Too much or too little throttle and you have the same problem with slippage between the ground and tire.

If the vehicle isn't straightening on it's own you definitely need to steer into the turn. If you over or under compensated on the throttle this is a very likely scenario.



Yes, when accelerating on a straightaway, as soon as you hear your drive wheel spinning in snow (or see your speedometer jump) you let off the accelerator until it catches again and then be more gradual next time (although I'm told in snow rear wheel drive is different from front wheel drive in this respect, getting right off the accelerator in front wheel drive can screw you up), and steer into the turn, but if you're on glare ice you're mostly hosed unless you make very small adjustments, and "do nothing" is about the right attitude to think about while you're making the small changes.

But sometimes the disconnect is when you try to turn the wheels, even though they're not locked, the momentum carries the vehicle straight instead of the turn you were asking for, it's not always because of acceleration. And now and then if you crank the wheels and goose the gas, you can get the ass end to swing around and point in the direction you wanted. Again, practicing this helps a lot.

But if your whole car is rotating, as opposed to your wheels relative to the drive surface, in snow you can often drive out of it (because I have one drive wheel from the rear, I do practice this a lot in the winter) but on ice you're often screwed, there's nothing you can do because turning your steering wheel will have no effect, they just slide even if you're in neutral, just hold on and try to relax until the vehicle comes to a rest, I do know someone who spun out, stayed on the road and would have been fine except her wheels were pointed towards the ditch when she finally did have traction so right into the ditch she went... I generally "relax" by repeating a swear word over and over in a calm and rational tone because at that point, things are well out of my control and all I can do is wait until there's something I CAN do :)

wayneb
07-26-2011, 10:39 AM
I generally "relax" by repeating a swear word over and over in a calm and rational tone because at that point, things are well out of my control and all I can do is wait until there's something I CAN do :)



They really should teach that approach in Driver's Ed. It is the same thing that I do when I'm in a similar situation, and if nothing else, it minimizes the chances of additional damage! ;D

AToE
07-26-2011, 04:25 PM
Firstly, like Wayne, growing up driving on roads you could practically skate on instead of walking definitely leaves one with a totally different perspective on whether it's fun or terrifying! (To be honest, as much fun as it is, there's always moments of sheer terror in there...).

As for the technique that Loadnabox was disputing:


Generally if you have broken a drive wheel free it's because you were applying too much power. If that's the case leaving the accelerator where it is will increase the wheel spin enough to start into the spin
You need to release the accelerator just enough that wheel spin is neutral to the ground movement.

You leave the accelerator there until the vehicle has straightened out. Too much or too little throttle and you have the same problem with slippage between the ground and tire

Oops, I should not have said "do nothing", I should have said release the accellerator and then "do nothing" until mentally under control. I totally forgot to mention that part, I guess it's just such second nature to me I forgot that very important detail at the beginning.

Your technique of just a slight release works perfectly when just driving along and you feel a little slipping starting, what you do is exactly what I do in fact. My "let go completely" is for situations that have already gotten out of control. I definitely should have clarified that in my post, 2 different situations. (And your technique would definitely work for a more out of control situation as well, it just requires more experience on ice than simply letting go of the gas entirely, which is part of why I recommend it to people who don't have the experience).

In serious loss of control situations, total release of the pedal works fine, generally as soon as I let go it starts gripping the road immediately. I haven't had an issue with that in rear or front wheel drive vehicles - but that said my experience is with a Chev pickup, a Chev van, and several Chev Cavaliers... I fully admit that it's possible letting go of the gas can cause problems in other vehicles, I honestly don't know.

The problem that can arise however from a complete release is that at some point you're going to obviously have to apply some again, at which point it's very easy to cause the slippage all over again, but if pressure is applied carefully it won't come up.


If the vehicle isn't straightening on it's own you definitely need to steer into the turn. If you over or under compensated on the throttle this is a very likely scenario.

Like CG said above, yes you do obviously have to steer sometimes. My statement is more about what you do right at the beginning of losing control (I think my post does talk about how after a moment of doing nothing you would then begin to correct very gentley... yup just checked it, it says if you're drifting you're going to have to carefully correct - but most important is not to try to turn while accellerating or breaking). But also like she says, on sheer ice steering can often do nothing at all or cause an even bigger problem, so that's why I teach people not to turn at all until their mind is wrapped around what's happening so that they avoid making a knee-jerk turn which will pretty much 100% of the time cause a spin.

Sometimes turning at all is the worst thing you can do, crashing under control may be better. (For example taking a corner at higher speeds, better to hit that rail/curb/wall/whatever head-on than spinning or flipping)

So yeah... I obviously need to work on how I explain my technique, I don't come off super clearly at all in that post!

dover157
07-26-2011, 06:13 PM
Wow this has been a fun read, little late on the wagon here, but what the hey. My first car was a 1973 Ford Torino 2 door, baby blue paint "elecritc blue" vynl interior. Stock 302 (5.0 L) v8 with a 2 barel carb. Am radio only, but the ac worked. Man I miss that car, got 30 mpg no matter how I drove it, cornered way better than a long heavy peice of steel should have been able to. My fav feature was the climate controls being on the left side of the steering wheel (left hand drive of course) so that no one could mess with the heat or ac but me. Since then I have been through a corsica, a conversion van, 2 caviliers, and a couple of others I dont remember. My current ride is a 1998 Suzuki Swift, 1.3L 4 cyl with the 5spd manual tranny. Rated at 85 HP from the factory, but its a torque monster for its size, wind is not my friend at all, but if the air is calm it will out climb just about anything I have ever driven. A few years ago I got pulled over by a state police officer while going up a hill around a mild curve with 4 adults in the car, according to him he clocked me at 98 MPH, but wrote the ticket for 75 cause he did not belive the car would go that fast. On the winter driving aspect, way down here we dont get a lot of snow over the winter, but when it comes it comes in hard. Most of the time I will agree with the others here that ice and snow driving is fun, when caution is used, with one exception for me. While responding with the Volunteer FD a few winters ago to an accident on the highway I had the rear end of the pumper truck I was driving come lose while crossing a bridge. Thankfully training and instinct took over and I was able to recover with out damaging anything and render aid to those in need. One of the officers that was onsceen watching said that seeing a full sized fire truck go accross a 2 lane bridge totaly sideways was the coolest thing he had ever seen. From my view though, having the ass of a 30,000 pound truck decide it wants to see whats going on in front of the truck is not cool at all.

Chevette Girl
07-26-2011, 09:23 PM
One of the officers that was onsceen watching said that seeing a full sized fire truck go accross a 2 lane bridge totaly sideways was the coolest thing he had ever seen. From my view though, having the ass of a 30,000 pound truck decide it wants to see whats going on in front of the truck is not cool at all.

Congrats on pulling out of it, that's awesome, one of those things you wish someone got on video.

M63Ural
07-26-2011, 10:33 PM
I love this thread! Cars and trucks and driving on ice! I grew up in North Dakota, there were times when the city wasnt into snow removal that we went 3 months without seeing the road (just the compacted snow and ice over it) I must say though its trickier driving in South Dakota its much slicker when the temp is close to freezing than it is at say 10 deg below zero. I had a 65 Continental with the 460 in my undergrad days. Ol slabsides got 15 on the highway at 55 (17 to 18mpg at 70 she liked to go fast) was more like gallons to the mile in town. Miss her though. My other fave was my vw rabbit gt, thirty plus mpg and handled like a dream but so different from the conntinental. My current fun ride is my 2000 Vmax, better mpg and better hp to weight ratio than any of my 4 wheeled friends (at least those I have been able to afford)

Jim

Loadnabox
07-28-2011, 10:24 AM
Sometimes turning at all is the worst thing you can do, crashing under control may be better. (For example taking a corner at higher speeds, better to hit that rail/curb/wall/whatever head-on than spinning or flipping)



amen, I was driving on a dirt road early in the spring north of Boise. We used to call it the "Boise Ridge Run" it went across the peaks of the mountains north of Boise and has some beautiful views of both the city and raw wilderness just on the other side of the peaks.

We got towards the top, near the antennas and top of the ski lift at Bogus Basin ski resort. The last 200 yards was solid ice and snow and I was in my 2wd ranger. I couldn't keep the momentum going and had cars behind me on the run. As she gave up all hopes of traction and started going backwards, I watched the 200 foot cliff to my left (no guard rails dirt forestry road and all that) the guy behind me that couldn't slow down for the same reasons, and the very deep ditch on my right...

I quickly decided on the ditch , chained up, used a hi-lift jack, tree and some chains as a come-along, pulled my butt out and finished driving to the top. The decision to go in the ditch was a really good one though, nobody could stop, the road was so slick that anyone trying to stop just skidded backwards. One of the people behind me tried to stop, and with wheels locked ended up almost going over the cliff... backwards.

Echostatic
07-29-2011, 01:37 AM
In Texas, if the roads are icy/snow covered, I just don't drive. Not only are my cars/tires just terrible in it, everyone else on the road is terrible in it, since virtually nobody knows how to drive in it. I did have to drive the '68 Grand Prix home one night in a spontaneous blizzard last year though, that was a trip... Took over an hour, and I almost lost it on an ice covered bridge. Good thing nobody else was around because I was literally all over the 4 lane road before getting it back under control.

Chevette Girl
08-06-2011, 01:33 AM
No shame in just staying home, I remember the last time it snowed heavily before I got my winter tires on, thought I was gonna die.

Small brag, the Beast made it to Sudbury and back, 1000 km round trip, only one little hiccup, I think the whatever-it-is that tells the starter it can engage when the shifter's in "park" is loose... on the way there, we stopped for gas, then when I tried to start her again, turned the key... nothing, not even a click... had to wiggle the shifter around a couple times to find the sweet spot and no problems thereafter, she was fine on the way home... but SOMEBODY's getting a checkup soon as I can get an appointment, presuming I can't find the info I need in either the shop manual or the Haynes manual... (it probably IS in the shop manual, I just don't know how to look it up)

stickbow95
02-08-2012, 10:41 AM
Good read, this thread.

I've never been a car fan, mostly a jeep nut. (I am building my second currently) However, I would like to someday build a Shelby Cobra replica, as that has been my dream car as long as I can remember. I also have always liked the older muscle cars. My father had a '69 GTO that, unfortunately, he sold before I was born. He talks of it rather fondly.

Hmm... It appears that I have somewhat "dated" myself.;)

Living all of my life in "snow country", I have to admit that I have a ball driving in the winter. Winter is also my favorite time of the year to do a bit of "off-roading" with my jeep.

I always make it a point to test the available traction on winter roads when it is safe to do so. It allows one to know what can and cannot be done.

ABS brakes, traction control, stability control, etc... You can have 'em. I prefer not to relinquish control of my vehicle to a circuit board. I'm not faulting any of the stuff, I just don't have a use for any of it. I have, in fact, had ABS result in an accident in the past. It was a complete fluke IMO, but it wouldn't have happened without the ABS.

Chevette Girl
02-08-2012, 05:04 PM
Muscle cars.... <drool>

Well, as for an update on the Chevette, the steering coupler is borked again but I'm driving her anyway (critical failure isn't much worse than what it's doing already, which is a slight looseness in the steering wheel that is also a looseness in the wheels, but it's only noticeable in high winds, which have always knocked the Beast around a lot anyway so I really don't notice it) because the part's gonna be a pain to get off a frozen Chevette, already did it once in the cold, not doing it till spring thaw... and the engine's got one cylinder that's a bit down in compression, so I'm treating her nice and hoping she lasts till spring when I can deal with an engine change. Providing my spare engine's still functional... She did make it to Sudbury and back with pretty decent gas mileage at Christmas and not ENTIRELY embarrassing performance on the hills... and as long as I run her on mid-grade gas and keep the oil and tranny fluid topped up, she's running just fine... 345,000 km and turning 30 this year. I may have to make a commemorative Chevette Weirdomel for the occasion...

Echostatic
02-09-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm having a bit of trouble with the '68 grand prix too. Drivers side motor mount broke, so that whole side of the engine is sitting lower than it should. This pulled the drivers side header down into steering components, slightly damaging them and punching a hole in the header. That header is gonna be a real pain to put on too, it takes several hours and liberal application of a hammer.

Chevette Girl
02-10-2012, 10:54 PM
Bleahhh, that sounds like no fun at all. Except maybe for hitting things with a hammer. That's sometimes fun.

Hopefully if my spare engine's not borked, it'll be a piece of cake, this'll be the fourth transfer I've done... of course, each one had something different go wrong... the first time we dropped the engine and broke an engine mount, shorted out the starter and the bolts attaching the pipe to the exhaust manifold broke, plus the transmission mount was in the wrong place AND had been badly welded in... the second time the welded transmission mount made it necessary to detach the transmission first when they're meant to be installed and removed as one unit, and then the engine was blown... the third time (a week after the second time) the water pump on the new engine went and was piddling coolant all over the place, I let my hubby tighten the oilpan bolts and he cranked too hard and bulged the gasket right out of place so it was dribbling oil, the alternator was wiggly so the fan belt was screaming, and I didn't have deep enough sockets to get the exhaust pipe attached to the manifold so it roared all the way home. An embarrassing drive, but at least it got to the mechanic for final fix-up by itself, the two previous attempts required tow trucks.

Echostatic
02-11-2012, 05:40 PM
Gotta love old cars and their wonderful problems!

Chevette Girl
02-12-2012, 03:08 AM
Yep. The last dashboard light behind the speedometer finally went tonight, gotta finally crack and install the new bulbs I bought!

TheAlchemist
09-07-2012, 07:12 PM
AAACK! Aaack! Aaack!
This DieHard MustangWoman has traded in her beloved Pony...
For a Prius c
Who knew!?
Wave of the future, I reckon...
Sure, the new guy doesn't have the Power that the Mustang did, and he looks a bit like a suppository, but (BUTT! or maybe I should say AND consequently) he gets tuchaskickingly great mileage. Already.

Time For A Road Trip?!??!!

Riverat
09-08-2012, 12:04 AM
AAACK! Aaack! Aaack!
This DieHard MustangWoman has traded in her beloved Pony...
For a Prius c
Who knew!?
Wave of the future, I reckon...
Sure, the new guy doesn't have the Power that the Mustang did, and he looks a bit like a suppository, but (BUTT! or maybe I should say AND consequently) he gets tuchaskickingly great mileage. Already.

Time For A Road Trip?!??!!

Mustang to a Prius? OK that is a seachange but if it works...anyway yea roadtrip somewhere forsure. if you wander near Savannah Ga drop by!

Chevette Girl
09-08-2012, 07:06 AM
Yay, Prius! And yeah, they do look pretty silly, dunno why they had to make it so weird looking...

TheAlchemist
09-08-2012, 08:47 AM
Yay, Prius! And yeah, they do look pretty silly, dunno why they had to make it so weird looking...

Same reason seals, dolphins, humpbacks etc all evolved to the same approximate shape, I suppose. They just move with more energy efficiency that shape.

It's all physics.

God bless physics.

Vance G
09-08-2012, 09:44 AM
My problem with Prius's is a nagging question about what it will cost to replace that battery, and will that cost not exceed the lifetime savings on fuel? Not to mention the toxic waste generated in the manufacture of that battery and the heavy earths . Then there is a phenomenon, whenever I am following one, they seem to be in perpetual "lag Phase" and are being driven by people who obviously are not expected anywhere soon! I can in no way see how they enhance productivity in a nation.

wayneb
09-08-2012, 12:05 PM
But you have to remember that Priuses (Priusi??) aren't the best alternative to straight up internal combustion, they are merely an alternative that could be brought to market now, in order to get people thinking about new, more efficient transport technologies. We're in the "chicken or egg" phase of electric vehicle propulsion now, where nobody was willing to put a fully electric car on the market realizing full well that the technology wasn't there to support North America's real driving habits (neither speed, nor performance, nor range between recharge are yet up to the task for a fully electric vehicle - Tesla notwithstanding), and the hybrids are a transition phase to allow some savings (admittedly minor once all the costs are taken into account) and to get the public used to the idea of at least partial electric propulsion while the storage technologies for a fully electric vehicle continue to mature.

BTW - It isn't necessarily the Prius that is the culprit when you see one lagging behind the general flow of highway traffic. At least not if it is one of the newer generation. I'd never driven one prior to a couple of months ago, but I had one as a rental for a quick trip that I took back to Ohio. I used to pride myself that, over one span of the Ohio turnpike that encompasses a bridge over the Cuyahoga river, I could take my '68 Olds (Cutlass 442) from 70 mph to speedometer pegged (somewhere above 120 mph - I think it was more for psychological limit than an indication of actual top speed) before spanning the bridge.

Well, I had to try to see what the Prius would do. In order not to suggest that I was in any way driving in an unsafe manner, all I'll say here was that the Prius reached its top limit in a similarly short distance. If you don't already know, I'll let you look up the current generation Prius' top speed elsewhere.

(Really, Mr. Highway Patrol Trooper, I must have lost control or something....)
;D

There's enough power in that package to move you along in quite a sprightly manner, if you're willing to use it.

TheAlchemist
09-08-2012, 12:21 PM
Last week I talked to a lady whose brother drove his until it hit 200K miles, at which point it wasn't passing the emissions test.

Chevette Girl
09-09-2012, 10:24 PM
My stepdad's been driving a Civic hybrid for a couple of years and he's about ready to trade it in before the batteries go, wouldn't surprise me if they got another though.

I'd consider a Smart car for a second car if we needed one, they get awesome mileage and are surprisingly roomy for large passengers like my hubby, so long as you don't have more than a shopping cart's worth of groceries to bring home... My biggest beef with them is that the rabbit cage won't fit in the "trunk". I think they're just as good as hybrids for changing our perception of what we need... I'm consistently disappointed in the lack of improvement when it comes to fuel economy of new cars, instead of making it get 50 mi/gal, they've given you more horses under the hood than you really need and a top-end speed you can never use since we don't have an equivalent to the Autobahn on this continent.

And I've joined the ranks of granny drivers if I'm not in a particular hurry, I did some math and I really DO save gas if I drive at or under the speed limits.

We'll just not talk about acceleration on the 'vette though, we're down to 3.5 cylinders at 350k km, and it was never very good even with all 4 banging. Let's just say patience is a virtue in more than just meadmaking ;D

Damn but I miss my '77 Olds Cutlass. It had a bit of a delay (as in, it gave you a few seconds to ponder your sanity) between when you hit the gas and when passing gear kicked in, but when it finally decided you were serious, it went like stink, as my dad always said... at 13 miles per gallon (imperial, so about ten US) no matter how I drove it... the Beast has the Cutlass's horn, at least... no little "meep" horn for THIS little car...

TheAlchemist
09-10-2012, 12:58 AM
I'd have loved to get the DeLorean that uses compost for fuel, but didn't have the patience to wait for that model to come out...

What do we want?
Time Travel!

When do we want it?
That's irrelevant!

Vance G
09-10-2012, 01:22 AM
One of the reasons here for the pathetic mileage is the pollution of the gasoline with alcohol which is just not an efficient fuel. It lowers the mileage a bunch and the arab spring was largely caused by higher food prices brought on by our huge production of legally mandated ethanol. This year with a disastrous crop, we are going to have to make a choice between this feel good balony and starving people to death! We have so much more oil than literally anywhere else on this continent. What a crime against humanity to burn food in our vehicles!

Chevette Girl
09-10-2012, 01:58 AM
Actually, my 'vette gets the same mileage with ethanol gasoline as with mid-grade gas. Got the same result with my Cutlass when ethanol was new.

And looking at the pollution profiles of gas versus ethanol, it's not better or worse, just different. The hydrocarbon profile is different and you don't get as much SOx because there's just no sulphur in there, where we have a lot of it naturally occurring in our oil, but you get more NOx with ethanol because it burns a little hotter and your NOx is temperature-dependent (evidence of a misspent youth! :p).

Here we've got farmers getting large subsidies if they grow corn for ethanol, so there's not a whole lot of incentive to grow much else.

... and I find it insulting that I pay significantly more in Canada than you do in the 'states for gas, when Canada produces a lot of oil too... (although I do realize our gas prices don't hold a candle to the petrol prices in Europe, but how many Europeans have 50 km or more daily commutes? My poor Chevette did around 500 km per week for the ten years I was working where I was).

mrperq
09-10-2012, 04:07 AM
how many Europeans have 50 km or more daily commutes? My poor Chevette did around 500 km per week for the ten years I was working where I was).

You might be suprised. I drive 50km a day to and from my job, and
at least half of my department do the same, or farther. At a price
of 1,6€/l diesel thats no fun at all. Lucky I drive diesel, and a
verry small car at that, people who drive petrol pay 1,8€/l, and use
more for the same distance. If only I was not so allergic to trains :).

PS: For our American friends: thats 7,7$/gal for Diesel, 8,7$/gal for
Petrol.

Vance G
09-10-2012, 10:31 AM
I got 28 U.S. mpg in a Dodge Caravan with gasoline before ethanol was ubiquitous and now get 22 mpg. My wifes Sebring got 33 now 25. My work truck Dodge Hemi gets 16 at 65 mph both before and after. I get to pay more for fuel and I get to pay subsidies to farmers producing the corn, distillers making the alcohol and the vehicle wears out faster. People on 1200 calories a day in India probably see little logic in our choices. I do not uderstand how a nation as rich in oil as Canada tolerates paying what you do for fuel so a segment of the population can feel good about themselves. Since we in the U.S. tolerate a Government owned company producing Chevy volts at a $49,000 per copy loss each, I acknowledge we have the same segment here.

Chevette Girl
09-11-2012, 12:49 AM
You might be suprised. I drive 50km a day to and from my job, and
at least half of my department do the same, or farther.

Sorry to generalize there, mrperq. Most of the guys I was dealing with on the chevettes forum were Brits of one flavour or another, and most of them moved to where they had shorter daily drives or could take public transit because the petrol prices were just so horrid. I couldn't rely on public transit here even if I wanted to, it couldn't have gotten me to work and it won't get me to my horse, it will only get me to one of my current jobs once a week...

And to be fair I think a lot of the money Canadians pay into gasoline actually goes to taxes, we're often taxed way more than Americans, although often not as much as the Europeans pay...


Vance, maybe it's a carburettor thing? I don't take that kind of hit on my mileage when I intentionally seek out gasoline with ethanol. Maybe the Chevette's too low-tech to notice...

And in other Chevette news, I finally got a new battery for the Beast, got sick of having to use my booster pack just about every time I needed to start it...

wayneb
09-11-2012, 11:36 AM
It is far more likely to be an "early North American fuel injector" thing. The control systems on those early (especially the single, throttle body) injectors were so lame that the introduction of anything outside of the parameters of gasoline to a fuel mix really played hell with mileage. More modern systems, like those in use for about the past decade in American vehicles, have rendered those issues largely moot.

BTW - with my old Chevette (1980 vintage, so definitely an oldie, and definitely carburetor rather than fi), the mileage actually improved slightly when early ethanol "gasohol" blends were introduced. Of course most of the non-metal parts in the fuel system eventually dissolved in the mix, adding to it's relatively early demise (only 110K miles when I had to retire it).

Chevette Girl
09-11-2012, 01:59 PM
It is far more likely to be an "early North American fuel injector" thing. The control systems on those early (especially the single, throttle body) injectors were so lame that the introduction of anything outside of the parameters of gasoline to a fuel mix really played hell with mileage. More modern systems, like those in use for about the past decade in American vehicles, have rendered those issues largely moot.

I think it still left a bad taste in a lot of folks' mouth, my mom calls it "that $hit", as in "I don't want that $hit in my car" because her early-90s Honda didn't like it, she says it ran like crap and my dad's early-90's Honda did get worse mileage while my Chevette's improved...


BTW - with my old Chevette (1980 vintage, so definitely an oldie, and definitely carburetor rather than fi), the mileage actually improved slightly when early ethanol "gasohol" blends were introduced. Of course most of the non-metal parts in the fuel system eventually dissolved in the mix, adding to it's relatively early demise (only 110K miles when I had to retire it).

Yeah, the Chevettes were considered outdated by the late 80's, and were replaced by the Sprint/Firefly, which were front-wheel drive and fuel injected and got pretty spectacular mileage if I recall, they even had a three-cylinder model. Had the same kind of engine wobble that my Beast has always had (two slightly low cylinders)... I had read that they had problems with the seals etc on military jeeps run on straight ethanol, so I always made sure every couple of tanks to run regular stuff through it (this was before 10% of regular gasoline could be ethanol), and my first Chevette's engine made it well into the 300,000 km region (had to swap frames though), and this one's over 350,000 km now (and slowly losing compression, but I'm pretty sure that's either valve or rings which I'm sure ethanol wouldn't have played a part in, and all its new leaks and degradations are because of the little engine oil leaks that piddle all over my engine compartment).

TheAlchemist
09-11-2012, 07:59 PM
My 2005 Mustang got 25mpg no matter what gas I gave him.

If you're concerned about world hunger you quit eating beef...come to think of it, that's good for decreasing global warming as well...but that's a subject for another thread.

Cal
12-30-2012, 03:10 PM
Car nut here. I am building a 97 Nissan 240SX. Right now the main mods are suspension.

Coilovers
An LSD
Adjustable rear upper control arms
Front and rear sway bars.

The rear still needs toe and traction rods and maybe lower control arms. (pita to install)


The front needs along tension rods, tie rods and LCAs.

After that then it will be time for the engine.

Chevette Girl
12-30-2012, 11:35 PM
Ooh, that's a sweet little car! I used to drive by a purple one, but I guess they sold it or moved since I haven't seen it in a few months... Good luck with yours!

My Beast just got new brake pads (apparently the old ones were misshapen after getting the calipers unseized) and a pair of brand new winter tires so we're good to go for messing around in all the snow! And after coming home from Sudbury in the dark, my Xmas present to the Beast is going to be a new pair of headlights, apparently my sealed beams aren't sealed anymore, as there's condensation in them, not so good for illumination...

Cal
12-31-2012, 08:43 PM
^Thanks. I hope to be able to make around 380WHP on it one day. Then I can start an 88 Monte Carlo build. I've always dreamed if having a twin turbo LS2 Monte SS.

I just read through this. All the talk of snow driving. Ha. GA got around 2.5inches of snow in 2011. Half the state shut down. People were trapped in their offices in northern GA.

Chevette Girl
01-01-2013, 07:48 PM
A lot of us who're used to some amount of snow laugh at that, and think things like people freezing to death in their cars in Washington because the temperature went a few degrees below freezing are just incomprehensible... but we forget that when you're not used to something, you don't have the tools and infrastructure to be able to deal with it... I guess I'm somehow lucky to live somewhere with a temperature swing of 60 degrees celsius (+30 to -30C), but we're screwed if too much or too little rain...

Well, I certainly didn't become enamoured with Chevettes because of their power... 68 horsepower brand new off the line... 0 to 60 mph in thirteen minutes... (ok, more like 30 seconds but still).

Ooh, I've always wanted a Monte Carlo... I think the Cutlass Surpreme was its Oldsmobile equivalent... :D

Chevette Girl
07-21-2014, 10:05 PM
Resurrecting an old thread... had to share the story of what happened the other day when we took the Beast off to pick up our "new" car (2004 Accord) at my parents' place... Beast got us there just fine, met her new sister, went to the next town to the north to go to the Ministry and get plates for it, came back, plated it, and I took the Beast and my husband took the Accord to my mechanic's in another town to the south and left it so it could get safetied and emissions tested, and halfway home from dropping it off, the Beast had a hissy fit and spat her PCV valve out. Right out of the engine block, right off the end of its vacuum hose. Fortunately THIS time she didn't eject it completely from the engine compartment, I heard the whooshing noise I associate with this misbehaviour, pulled over, and found it sitting between the valve cover and the carburettor... The last time she pulled this trick, I had to fake it with electrical tape until I could get home for the spare part because she spat it out onto the road, never to be seen again (we know, we looked). As my roommate pointed out, the sibling rivalry has started already...

Chevette Girl
07-21-2014, 10:07 PM
Resurrecting an old thread... had to share the story of what happened the other day when we took the Beast off to pick up our "new" car (2004 Accord) at my parents' place... Beast got us there just fine, met her new sister, went to the next town to the north to go to the Ministry and get plates for it, came back, plated it, and I took the Beast and my husband took the Accord to my mechanic's in another town to the south and left it so it could get safetied and emissions tested, and halfway home from dropping it off, the Beast had a hissy fit and spat her PCV valve out. Right out of the engine block, right off the end of its vacuum hose. Fortunately THIS time she didn't eject it completely from the engine compartment, I heard the whooshing noise I associate with this misbehaviour, pulled over, and found it sitting between the valve cover and the carburettor... The last time she pulled this trick, I had to fake it with electrical tape until I could get home for the spare part because she spat it out onto the road, never to be seen again (we know, we looked).

As my roommate pointed out, the sibling rivalry has started already...

mannye
07-21-2014, 10:24 PM
I'm a car nut but mead has taken over. I sold my 69 road runner convertible to make room for the TARDIS.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/22/nabezydy.jpg

That was her at the auction site.


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Chevette Girl
07-22-2014, 01:22 AM
Sorry about the repeats, it kept telling me it had timed out instead of posting...

Airnwater
08-22-2014, 03:19 AM
You need a Mini wagon.. Maybe not the Cooper version, but the regular ones haul well, get decent mpg, and aren't a boring organic shape. My economy car when I was young were VWs. Still play with those!
But the most fun car I had was a 70 Pinto. After a bit of surgery, i put a 350 hp 289 V8 in it. Now that was fun.

Chevette Girl
08-22-2014, 01:47 PM
LOL, my Chevette was wearing the winter tyres from a Pinto for a while. I wish Hercules still made 'em that small, best winter tyres I've ever had.

My mechanic swears by VW's but I've heard that these days they're assembling 'em in Mexico and the drivetrain will still last for frigging ever but all the other things keep breaking.

I wonder how much headroom the minis have, my husband's head hits the headliner in the Accord even with the seat all the way down... we'd need a truck for him to sit up straight, methinks... Although our friends' Caravan isn't bad for him.

And the "new" car got its first dent within two weeks of being brought home. And I didn't do it!! Bahaahaahaa!!! ...I'd have cried if it'd been the Chevette...

Finally got all of the fuel issues resolved between the gas cap and the carb, and it's still misbehaving so I'm seeing a carb overhaul in the Beast's future.

mannye
08-22-2014, 04:52 PM
I'm 6'2'' and I fit very well in a mini. I suspect that 2 more inches is about the limit if I remember correctly.

Airnwater, did you paint flames on the back of that Pinto and get a plate that said "kaboom?" Lol.


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kudapucat
08-22-2014, 05:07 PM
Yay, Prius! And yeah, they do look pretty silly, dunno why they had to make it so weird looking...

Have you seen what the google car that drives on autopilot looks like?
The Prius is positively stylish.

I like the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
Chargeable at home, uses petrol elec hybrid.
Gets 1.9 l/100km

(That's about 124 mi/gal in silly units)
And it's an SUV.
Practical and environmental.
It's beginning...

Honeyhog
08-22-2014, 09:00 PM
I don't know why they had to make so many of the hybrids and electrics so ugly and weird. They all seemed to have that thing for the enclosed rear wheel for a while, it's like they wanted them to fail. Just make them look like regular cars that's how you get people to buy them.
On a different note I saw a beautiful red T-bucket with a huge big block rumble by today with what looked like functional wheelie casters. Always loved the look of open engine hot rods.

mannye
08-22-2014, 10:38 PM
I don't know why they had to make so many of the hybrids and electrics so ugly and weird. They all seemed to have that thing for the enclosed rear wheel for a while, it's like they wanted them to fail. Just make them look like regular cars that's how you get people to buy them.
On a different note I saw a beautiful red T-bucket with a huge big block rumble by today with what looked like functional wheelie casters. Always loved the look of open engine hot rods.

Yep...it sure seems to have worked out for Tesla. Those things are all over the place around here. Gorgeous cars. Not so gorgeous price.

I am now lusting over the new 'Cuda. Anyone seen the very cool cryptic TV commercials that show only the hood scoop? It's just the car revving and one line..... "If you know...you know.." Well buddy, I know. And I'm getting one as oon as they make a drop top. I don't know what the F they are waiting for with the Challenger. Maybe now that both the Challenger and the (Chrysler?) 'Cuda will be on the street, the ragtop can't be far behind....mine will be triple black with black stripes and the biggest hemi they offer. And I'm going to drive the freaking wheels off the thing.

I had the Road Runner convertible for 12 years and it was all original/correct and a show car so I had to be careful where and when I drove it and what parts I used and everything was sooooo expensive. I was exhausted after basically being the caretaker for such a long time. I'm "almost" glad I needed the garage to construct the TARDIS. Now I can get a 'Cuda which is my favorite Plymouth but I can't afford a real 1970. AND can do burnouts without worrying that I'm ruining priceless Firestone wide ovals... ;)

Chevette Girl
08-23-2014, 01:06 AM
OOOHHH! I saw a purple Challenger yesterday, damn near had a car-gasm! I love the new Challenger as much as I loathe the first new Chargers...they're not so loathesome now that they've fixed the taillights so it doesn't look like an overstuffed Oldsmobile. Not that there's anything wrong with Oldsmobiles, just don't make a Towncar or a Charger look like one...

My stepdad had a Civic hybrid and it looked just like a Civic. Perfect as far as I'm concerned, hybrids do not need to look stupid, it's better if they don't. Of course now Honda has something that looks like the Prius so apparently the buyers like having their hybrid be easily identifiable as a hybrid or else why would Honda bother...

mannye
08-23-2014, 01:30 AM
Yeah, I just want to know why I see cars on Top Gear that get 60 and 70 mpg and don't need all that fancy and expensive hybrid tech. We make a big deal about tiny ugly cars that get 35 or 45 (wow... rolleyes) mpg when I routinely see large sedans getting those very same numbers in the UK and mainland Europe. Someone's being a dick. And speaking of being dicks...when are we going to stop dicking around with lithium ion batteries and get locomotive tech on car? Those things get ridiculous mileage by hooking up a small (relative to a 20 ton locomotive) to an electric generator... you're telling me our nerds and British boffins can't figure out how to miniaturize that? Yes they can...I call shenanigans.

I can't wait. Have you seen the motor the Cuda and the new Challenger will have? They call it the Hellcat...a supercharged hemi with over 600 HP from the factory! What a thing. Now if I could have that for weekends I would have no problem driving a Chevrolet Castrato hybrid diesel one cylinder electric...


http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/6_23_11_TheIT.jpg

Chevette Girl
08-23-2014, 01:44 AM
LOL Chevrolet Castrato...

If I were the type to be embarrassed by what I drive, well, the Chevette would be in far prettier shape than it is right now...

mannye
08-23-2014, 02:17 AM
LOL Chevrolet Castrato...

If I were the type to be embarrassed by what I drive, well, the Chevette would be in far prettier shape than it is right now...

Are you kidding? That car has character. I'd rather drive that than my own blandmobile. Yes it's really comfortable and blows cool air on my bum, but it has all the personality of a bar of soap. That's why I liked the Road runner so much.

Chevette Girl
08-23-2014, 10:11 AM
I like cars with personality although in my case "personality" usually means "stuff that doesn't work properly". Although in the case of the Accord, it's a rear-end squeak (not suspension, the mechanic who owned it before thinks it's a misaligned body panel in the trunk) that's really annoying at low speeds unless the radio's on.

My husband complains that all new (90's onward) cars are shaped like a shoe...

mannye
08-23-2014, 03:31 PM
SQeuaks that are hard to find! One time when I was a kid, I heard a story about a car (I forget the brand) that had a rumble in the back but try as they might there was no way to fix it. Turns out that when they went to replace the right rear quarter panel a worker has slipped a bottle in the panel with a note that said "It was hard to find me wasn't it?" or something to that effect. What an asshole! LOL

Chevette Girl
08-24-2014, 01:42 AM
I heard a similar story only it was a baby's rattle... I don't think this car ALWAYS made this noise and the mechanic who owned it was this close to sticking his diagnostic camera into it to see if he could see anything. And the dent in the rear quarterpanel, although it has locked the scissor jack permanently in its holding place, did not fix the squeak.

mannye
08-24-2014, 11:04 AM
It's probably the spring. it's rubbing against the mount. Hello, you're on Car Talk.

danr
08-24-2014, 05:25 PM
SQeuaks that are hard to find! One time when I was a kid, I heard a story about a car (I forget the brand) that had a rumble in the back but try as they might there was no way to fix it. Turns out that when they went to replace the right rear quarter panel a worker has slipped a bottle in the panel with a note that said "It was hard to find me wasn't it?" or something to that effect. What an asshole! LOL

L (http://www.snopes.com/autos/grace/rattle.asp)INK (http://www.snopes.com/autos/grace/rattle.asp)
http://www.snopes.com/autos/grace/rattle.asp

kudapucat
08-24-2014, 06:23 PM
I heard a true story, where a car exited the FORD factory here, and was luck enough to be one of the 1 in 20 cars the are subjected to the 'rattle and squeak test' which is basically a concrete 4WD track 20 metres long.
They heard all sorts of ruckus.
When they pulled the car apart, they found 7 stereos, 4 speaker systems, a few spare looms and multiple sets of reversing sensors, automatic aerials etc stuffed into every void of the car.

kudapucat
08-24-2014, 06:24 PM
It didn't take them long to discover that the recipient of the car 'Jo' had a cousin that worked at the plant.
It would seem it was quite a racket involving quite a few people. Who knows how many cars to other cousins left the plant unsuspected.

mannye
08-24-2014, 06:54 PM
HAHA! That's something. I never thought of using the cars themselves to smuggle out stuff. You would think they would steal better stuff though, like ECUs

Chevette Girl
08-25-2014, 02:50 PM
Now I'm reminded of the PsychoBilly Cadillac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdrpJt5YtdQ):)

...which actually inspired me to build my own car...which turned out to be a 1986-1897 Pontiac/Chevrolet Acadian/Chevette. Always wished I could figure out how to put tailfins on it...

Chevette Girl
08-25-2014, 06:19 PM
Hehe, just saw this (https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8294671616/h1E5077E0/)... I'd do it if the Chevette needed a hood ornament!

mannye
08-25-2014, 10:14 PM
That's very clever! It's only been a couple of months since I sold the Road Runner and I'm already jonesing for something new but this time I want to make it. So I'm looking at a Caterham 7. I don't know if they are available on this side of the pond ::;;;mmmm Amy Pooooond::: sorry. I can't say pond without thinking of the hottest ever companion where was I? Oh yes. Caterham 7. I want one.


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58limited
05-27-2015, 05:49 PM
I have several vintage cars: 1953 Chevy truck, 1958 Buick Limited 2 dr - see avatar pic, 1957 Pontiac Transcontinental wagon, 1968 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe, 1977 Lincoln Town Coupe convertible conversion. Most need a bit of work.

Clwurster
05-27-2015, 09:33 PM
Hahahaha...yes Mannye, Amy Pond was hot...don't know tho-I'm still kinda partial to that metal dog. Back when the special effects were really cool. We would stay up late to watch on PBS...then follow up with Benny Hill-God rest his soul-one of the greats..sorry I digress, second bottle of JOAM..Wheels sorta coming of the bus

Chevette Girl
05-27-2015, 11:16 PM
Ooh, my mechanic's dad had a light blue Galaxie hiding in the shop years ago! Wonder what ever happened to it... I'll have to ask next time I take either of the cars in...

Poor Chevette has been barricaded into the garage since November. Gotta borrow my mom's trailer to take a load of stuff to the scrap metal guy and then I'll have room to get around the Beast (dishwasher, microwave, electrical stuff and some plumbing waste, don't ask), she's still having fuel problems but I found a connection that needs tightening so maybe that'll help, and she should be fine once I charge up the battery.

mannye
05-28-2015, 09:30 PM
You're wringing so much more out of that Chevette than it was meant to give! If you strike it rich I expect a Pro Street treatment 1980's style. Lol. Except it should actually run. Chevy 500 cubic inches with a blower and twin turbos all chrome. Single seat in the middle and a Concord stereo with cassette!


Sent from my TARDIS at the restaurant at the end of the universe while eating Phil.

mannye
05-28-2015, 09:31 PM
Mmmmmmmm Amy Pond.

Yum.


Sent from my TARDIS at the restaurant at the end of the universe while eating Phil.

fuelish
06-02-2015, 10:35 AM
Can only afford humble cars here....my wife has a '10 Kia Forte SX - nice car, handles well, crappy gas mileage...my son has my '05 Toyota Corolla S - nice car, great gas mileage...I drive an '03 Ford Focus - not a bad car, poor mpg compared to the 'yota, SLOW!!!, but handles really well for a bone stock compact car, feels much "bigger" ....if I hit the MegaMillions lottery tonight, I'd likely start with one of these - Porsche Cayman GT4....no automatic tranny offered :)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWy_jGMbFjpcuEfEsob3jd9W6xdGtkU 3eFmg2pPHb2lkgqUMKbMw

mannye
06-02-2015, 10:59 PM
Can only afford humble cars here....my wife has a '10 Kia Forte SX - nice car, handles well, crappy gas mileage...my son has my '05 Toyota Corolla S - nice car, great gas mileage...I drive an '03 Ford Focus - not a bad car, poor mpg compared to the 'yota, SLOW!!!, but handles really well for a bone stock compact car, feels much "bigger" ....if I hit the MegaMillions lottery tonight, I'd likely start with one of these - Porsche Cayman GT4....no automatic tranny offered :)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWy_jGMbFjpcuEfEsob3jd9W6xdGtkU 3eFmg2pPHb2lkgqUMKbMw

My friend did some Porsche driving experience thing in Vegas where they spend three days learning how to drive like maniacs and the instructor said that the Cayman in any trim is the best driving car Porsche has ever made. He said the handling was second to none... including the 911. I guess having he engine in the middle...where a sports car is supposed to have it... makes all the difference. He was so jazzed about the Cayman after that that I actually thought about maybe going to take a look at one but then I remembered that (a) it's waaaaay too expensive and (b) no hemi. So, like, what's the point of that? :)

Chevette Girl
06-02-2015, 11:04 PM
I just want my Vette to be able to go up a hill. Even a small hill.

mannye
06-02-2015, 11:11 PM
I just want my Vette to be able to go up a hill. Even a small hill.

Nitrous... I mean get a horse named Nitrous and hook it up the Vette! :)

Tom Sluiters
06-03-2015, 04:50 PM
https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11013071_796367927112010_9055894800836822977_n.jpg ?oh=b0c803465eb8115421d0bb5df6e50ce5&oe=56088FDA

I'm more of a bike guy

Chevette Girl
06-10-2015, 11:34 PM
Nitrous... I mean get a horse named Nitrous and hook it up the Vette! :)

Actually I had at one point considered hitching my pony to the 'vette for her first time pulling an actual something, since she'd never been afraid of cars before and I imagined she'd have a total meltdown if I showed her the gig I bought...

And Tom, that's a pretty sexy looking bike!

mannye
06-11-2015, 10:00 AM
It's all about gear ratios. Maybe putting some taller gears in the pumpkin will give the little vette some getup and go on the lower end of the rpm band.


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mannye
06-11-2015, 10:03 AM
Nice Beemer! I like them because they are different. Sleek looks and uncommon. Even here where Ducati and other uncommon brands are all over the place I rarely see a BMW bike.


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TheAlchemist
06-17-2015, 10:14 PM
After a couple of years as a die hard Mustang Woman…I'm now in a Prius c. Go figure.

mannye
06-19-2015, 11:34 AM
The practical often outweighs the cool. I went from an Impala SS to a Lexus LS. Sometimes I miss the thumbs up I got with the Impala but then I turn on the air conditioned seats in the LS and it quickly goes away.


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EJM3
06-23-2015, 01:18 PM
Sigh, I may not drive anymore, or own a vehicle for that matter, but I do maintain & upgrade the two that my partner has around. Selvia is the little 4 banger of a `01 Subaru Forester L (Forest green too!) & Mozey (pronounced Mo-Z) is the 1986 Chevy camper conversion "Get-Away" van from Canukia, I mean Canada eh...

The Subi is easy, she gets taken to the guy with all the fancy computers & software to have anything more than an oil change or fill up the gas.

The Chevy, Mozey, is my baby! Got him and had the engine worked on a bit by a local gearhead so the engine was running properly, then the fun began! The electrical system for the van was working fine, but the electrical wiring in the back was a nightmare at best & a hazard waiting to melt the whole thing at the worst. So after the first season of not having things work correctly, or at all, I got the permission from the partner to retrofit the entire backends' electrical system! First I pulled out a rainbow wire that fed power to the backend, SEVEN colors, 4 wire gauges, one section held to another by various methods. My favorite being a couple of ring terminals held together with a nut & bolt wrapped in duct tape. New solenoid that I installed to only supply power when key is on & not at all times (isolating the batteries when the key is off), new wiring all around, additional wiring all over, new fuses, LED lighting installed in and out, even a new power center & battery. Now he's got enough lights inside to be visible from 300 meters through trees, shrubs & brush. Then there is the LED spot lamp I installed, we tested it by turning it on then pacing the distance, we got to 600 meters roughly, sadly we had to stop because we had reached the edge of the cliff, otherwise it'd be another couple hundred meters I bet!

Chevette Girl
06-26-2015, 05:51 PM
It's all about gear ratios. Maybe putting some taller gears in the pumpkin will give the little vette some getup and go on the lower end of the rpm band.


Won't help as long as it's still having a fuel delivery problem...

mannye
06-27-2015, 10:00 AM
That can't be too hard to fix on a little Chevette can it? The whole fuel system is 10 feet of hose and a pump. Unless it's in the tank and with no access panel (you have to drop the tank) then it's a pain.




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fuelish
07-02-2015, 10:01 AM
...the instructor said that the Cayman in any trim is the best driving car Porsche has ever made. He said the handling was second to none... including the 911. I guess having he engine in the middle...where a sports car is supposed to have it... makes all the difference. ... Yeah....it could and should be their flagship model, but....they can't "dethrone" the 911 as the top o' the heap ;) Maybe they should just rebadge it as the 911 and go hog wild....although the purists would have a hissy fit, am sure

Chevette Girl
07-03-2015, 12:44 AM
That can't be too hard to fix on a little Chevette can it? The whole fuel system is 10 feet of hose and a pump. Unless it's in the tank and with no access panel (you have to drop the tank) then it's a pain.


You'd think, eh? We've dropped the tank three times (not much to put it back up on anymore either), blown air through the system both ways, and it's still impinged somewhere.

mannye
07-03-2015, 01:08 AM
You'd think, eh? We've dropped the tank three times (not much to put it back up on anymore either), blown air through the system both ways, and it's still impinged somewhere. Doesn't that have a mechanical pump in the block? It's probably shot. It's also takes like three seconds to replace... if it's like i think it is. I don't know about your new fangled ('70s) cars.

mannye
07-03-2015, 01:10 AM
Yeah....it could and should be their flagship model, but....they can't "dethrone" the 911 as the top o' the heap ;) Maybe they should just rebadge it as the 911 and go hog wild....although the purists would have a hissy fit, am sure

They did it a few years ago....they were just sneaky about it.

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Chevette Girl
07-03-2015, 01:12 AM
It takes an afternoon to replace. I've done it. Twice. I think the cam on the engine that drives it is worn (400,000 km) since the pump is relatively new, this is why we added an inline electric fuel pump. It's a new-fangled 80's car...

mannye
07-03-2015, 01:19 AM
It takes an afternoon to replace. I've done it. Twice. I think the cam on the engine that drives it is worn (400,000 km) since the pump is relatively new, this is why we added an inline electric fuel pump. It's a new-fangled 80's car...

Pump is good, lines are good, I assume the filter is good. Still no power.... well for a Chevette. hmmmmm 80's you say? Still has a carb? Early 80's fuel injection sucked but carbs were at the peak of development. Maybe at this point you're losing some compression? Have you had the compression tested? Cheap to do and a wealth of information.

Chevette Girl
07-03-2015, 06:49 PM
compression looks something like this 85 130 160 160 the last time I had it done, cylinder 1 and 2 were always at 130 even when the car only had 100,000 km on it, and about five years ago cylinder 1 had an incident with a chunk of spark plug ceramic insulation, so it LOOKS like it's down half a cylinder but in reality it's not actually that bad.

No, this is definitely a fuel thing, I can see through the clear fuel filter that it's just not running through the way it should, I see a little trickle in the bottom of the plastic housing instead of seeing a bubble at the top. When it's running and I spray carb cleaner into it, it increases the engine speed instead of decreasing it like I recall happening with a healthy fuel flow...

Carb got overhauled five years ago (jeebus, that long?) and I have a kit to do it again...

edblanford
07-03-2015, 07:42 PM
The symptoms sound like the electric (and probably the mechanical) fuel pump are sucking air somewhere between them and the fuel pickup. This could be a pin hole in a steel line (I have found rust holes before) or a cracked rubber line either between the pump and the tank, or even inside the tank. They can be hard to find. If the problem is obvious while the car is stationary you could pup a line from the inlet side of the electric pump directly into a gas can. If that solves the symptom, you have determined the cause and just need to locate it. I am a farm boy who worked as a professional mechanic for many years (before and after the prevalence of fuel injection).

Chevette Girl
07-04-2015, 01:01 AM
The whole line's been checked (twice), found a couple problems which we fixed, we've applied vacuum to it too and it wasn't sucking air last time we checked (it's been gutless ever since though), I'm wondering if the diaphragm in the electric pump is not doing its job, as it did sit around in my friend's garage for a few years before I ended up with it... I know currently the fuel filter in at the carb leaks a little (gonna tighten that when I charge up the battery, soon!) but it's on the wrong side of the fuel pump to be drawing in air... Unfortunately I can't even take her for a drive around the block right now because I'm having some issues with changing insurance companies (the girl who set it all up for me left the company and didn't get everything done and left a big mess the replacement is still trying to untangle) and I can't renew my plates till it's insured. Hopefully Wednesday is garage-cleaning day so I'll have room to work on it again. And also it will no longer be barricaded in by scrap metal we need to take to the recycler!

The mechanical fuel pump doesn't leak and is fitted well, it just doesn't move as much as it should (new-ish pump which makes me suspect it's the cam on the engine that's worn) so I left it attached. I suppose I could just attach the two hoses together and bypass it, but so long as it's not leaking I can't see it actually impeding the flow... unless there's something about engine-driven mechanical fuel pumps that I don't understand (which is distinctly possible). But when I had the thing out, if I squished the plunger, it would squirt gas just fine...

mannye
07-04-2015, 08:39 AM
Before you do that bypass the entire fuel system (gas can and tube straight into the filter using your inline electric pump and see what happens. If it works I would try running a new rubber fuel line from the tank to the part of the fuel lines you KNOW are good and just by pass the mechanical pump or the whole shebang.


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mannye
07-04-2015, 08:44 AM
The symptoms sound like the electric (and probably the mechanical) fuel pump are sucking air somewhere between them and the fuel pickup. This could be a pin hole in a steel line (I have found rust holes before) or a cracked rubber line either between the pump and the tank, or even inside the tank. They can be hard to find. If the problem is obvious while the car is stationary you could pup a line from the inlet side of the electric pump directly into a gas can. If that solves the symptom, you have determined the cause and just need to locate it. I am a farm boy who worked as a professional mechanic for many years (before and after the prevalence of fuel injection).

Oops. Didn't read this. He said what I said but better. :)


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Chevette Girl
07-05-2015, 04:59 PM
The bypass of the mechanical pump is actually easier than getting a gas can in the right place to test the electric pump but I will give both a go once I've un-barricaded the garage...