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Bugleman
08-28-2011, 11:18 PM
http://conical-fermenter.com/about/attachment/14-5-gal-conical-iso-1481x1481/

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fatbloke
08-29-2011, 03:44 AM
http://conical-fermenter.com/about/attachment/14-5-gal-conical-iso-1481x1481/

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Hum? Well I didn't see the price, but there's quite a few hereabouts that have invested in conical fermenters, both stainless models and plastic (presumably either HDPE or PET) ones.

If you have the money and can justify the expense then what the hell, go for it.

regards

fatbloke

schlapppy
08-29-2011, 08:21 AM
I've always been wanting a conical fermenter. It's a great for a primary!

huesmann
08-29-2011, 08:47 AM
What's so great about them? Does it make it easier to rack off the lees or something?

MrMooCow
08-29-2011, 12:36 PM
I know the feeling Bugleman. On my "How Much House Can I Afford" spreadsheet is a tab estimating costs for new mead equipment.

If the stainless is a bit pricey, you might consider the plastic ones offered by www.minibrew.com. Not to sound as if I have stock in the company, but I like the idea of a built in thermometer, as well as an extra plug on top that can be fitted with a valve for blanketing with CO2.

Huesmann: You are correct, though with the conical you don't rack. You simply open the bottom valve and flush the old yeast and gunk out. Can't say which is /better/ in the grand scheme of things, but I'd guess the conical is easier.

MrMooCow
08-29-2011, 12:39 PM
It's a great for a primary!

Your Italian accent is showing through in your typing..... ;D

Bugleman
08-29-2011, 03:10 PM
It says the 14.5 gallons is $499.00 on craigslist. Think this is a start up importer.

Man I wish I had the dough now.. :p

sarend
08-29-2011, 03:27 PM
I am looking at their 7 gallon fermenter with a thermometer. We will see what the next six months brings.


Stephen

MrMooCow
08-29-2011, 04:33 PM
Huh.... Looks like I spoke too quickly. They're price is competitive with the plastic ones. Hrm..... $310 for the 7.3 gallon SS vs $350 for the 8 gallon plastic.

Noe Palacios
08-29-2011, 05:53 PM
I am looking at their 7 gallon fermenter with a thermometer. We will see what the next six months brings.


Stephen

I use http://newstore.vvessel.com/

You can make a thermowell from the cap to place a themometer.

Saludos

Noe Palacios
08-29-2011, 06:09 PM
Huh.... Looks like I spoke too quickly. They're price is competitive with the plastic ones. Hrm..... $310 for the 7.3 gallon SS vs $350 for the 8 gallon plastic.

I bought my big ones here http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=854

The only issue are their lids, it is necessary to do a little work on them to obtain a good seal for anaerobic fermentation. But when is done they work great. I wash them with my kärcher high pressure pump so there's no abrasives procedures during cleaning and sanitizing.

Saludos,

sarend
08-29-2011, 07:27 PM
I use http://newstore.vvessel.com/

You can make a thermowell from the cap to place a themometer.

Saludos

I looked at the VVessle, but I did not want to hang it on a wall. I like the free-standing SS fermenters.


Stephen

ZwolfUpir
08-29-2011, 08:13 PM
I use http://newstore.vvessel.com/

You can make a thermowell from the cap to place a themometer.

Saludos

These remind me of the cotton candy from Killer Klowns From Outer Space.

But anyways, I'm looking forward to the day I can justify one of these large fermenter to my wife. Might even have to get one of the ones from VVessel and paint it pink...

Noe Palacios
08-29-2011, 11:43 PM
I looked at the VVessle, but I did not want to hang it on a wall. I like the free-standing SS fermenters.


Stephen

Agree, I chose to make its stand for it and it works great.

Saludos

Tannin Boy
08-30-2011, 05:49 AM
http://conical-fermenter.com/about/attachment/14-5-gal-conical-iso-1481x1481/

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Being obsessed isn't so bad a thing? I Think :o
I went this route and this will be my second year of operation.
Couple of issues, first the lee's dumping isn't as efficient as one would
hope without patience and the ability to cold crash. The other issue is
the internal racking arm is a must have to adjust above the silt line prior
to dispensing / racking off of fluid. I made the SS decision as I do both
primary and secondary in the vessel and the plastic ones I felt may be a
bit to air permeable for my needs. This unit I have has been used strictly
for hard cider so I may be not much help to you with respect to mead.

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/the-fermenator-stainless-steel-conical-fermenter-27-gallon.html

Regards,

TB

schlapppy
08-30-2011, 08:03 AM
I bought my big ones here http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=854


I've looked at that model before, but couldn't get a good feel for the lees purger. How well does that work? Can you top up with C02 on this model?

mfalenski
08-30-2011, 12:37 PM
I bought my big ones here http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=854

The only issue are their lids, it is necessary to do a little work on them to obtain a good seal for anaerobic fermentation. But when is done they work great. I wash them with my kärcher high pressure pump so there's no abrasives procedures during cleaning and sanitizing.

Saludos,

How did you seal them? I have silicone around the ring on the tank body itself. Did you modify the lid in any way to make a better seal? That is my only complaint about these tanks that the top seal leaves a lot to be desired.

Noe Palacios
08-30-2011, 12:58 PM
How did you seal them? I have silicone around the ring on the tank body itself. Did you modify the lid in any way to make a better seal? That is my only complaint about these tanks that the top seal leaves a lot to be desired.

Silicone didn't work, O-rings did't work. First time I made a good seal I had to make it with plasticine, now I'm using refrigeration tape because of the temperature that I work create a lot of condensate and is the only one that won't fall. But I'm going to make new lids with fiberglass, I want something more reliable.

Saludos,

Noe Palacios
08-30-2011, 01:14 PM
I've looked at that model before, but couldn't get a good feel for the lees purger. How well does that work? Can you top up with C02 on this model?

I modify them, in the bottom I made some PVC plumbing so they can work by VVessel concept and I can drain the wine when fermentation is done.

I drill a little hole in the middle and placed a better bottle rack valve, so I can take my samples with out opening.

I drill a little hole in the top where I placed a bung, this hole I use to add nutrients.

I made a thermowell for my temperature controler.

I never used CO2 during fermentation.

Saludos,

cam07ds
09-09-2011, 11:36 AM
Well stainless is nice but for the same price you can get 2 15 gal Plastic ones from www.minibrew.com or look on line (I got mine from ebay almost 80.00 off the vendor price brand new in the box). I have one and it has changed my mead making for ever. Lees are simple pull off just open the bottom valve carefully and out they come.
I love mine and will never go back to a carboy again.

Steve

Bugleman
09-09-2011, 12:44 PM
Thats the thing, the listing on CL says about 500 bucks for a 15 gal, the same price as your plastic model

brian92fs
09-09-2011, 02:40 PM
Thats the thing, the listing on CL says about 500 bucks for a 15 gal, the same price as your plastic model

I found this video the other day on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-zrw_4Qts). I believe this is the same conical you linked to in your original post. He talks about the pro's and con's of this specific model. Based on his comments, it might be wise to look for a model with a better lid design. Something like this from MoreBeer (http://morebeer.com/view_product/10773/103796/14_Gallon_Conical_Fermenter). I believe its a from Blichmann (http://www.blichmannengineering.com/index.html). Its more money, but the design looks a bit more solid.

DaleP
09-11-2011, 09:50 AM
Check out the Brewhemoth. You can even get an internal chiller option. Use one all the time for beer. Priced in the $500 range also.

Dan McFeeley
09-11-2011, 10:46 AM
I sometimes wonder if investing in conical fermenters and the needed accessories is moving just a little further down the slippery slope to going pro. ;D

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Soyala_Amaya
09-11-2011, 11:20 AM
I sometimes wonder if investing in conical fermenters and the needed accessories is moving just a little further down the slippery slope to going pro. ;D

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I was just thinking that with all my nice little carboy dudes, I really couldn't see spending 3-500 bucks on a fermentor just to take a step out of my process unless I was making a HELL of a lot more mead than I am now. It would have to be something in the triple digits of gallons per year to make the cost worth my while, which is around the point where I'd have to start looking into licensing.

I also kind of enjoy the 10-20 minute zen out time of watching all that golden deliciousness run through a tube...taunting me while I wait for it to age, heh. Maybe I lose 1/2 a gallon over time with racking, but so far it's not worth it to me. (Notice I say so far.)

brian92fs
09-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Check out the Brewhemoth. You can even get an internal chiller option. Use one all the time for beer. Priced in the $500 range also.

THe Brewhemoth (http://brewhemoth.com/)equipment looks like a pretty nice setup for the price.

Also, I found this DIY (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billjohnn/sets/72157601706400311/) for setting up a cooling/heating jacket for a conical. He uses a ice chest with a converted window AC unit to cool glycol. Seems like a ice chest would work just as well, be around the same price, and be a lot simpler to setup.

I think you could put together a setup like this with the Brewhemoth. You'd have to modify the leg attachment points though. Or, you could use the Brewhemoth Immersion Chiller option and run glycol through it. For me though, it seems like an external jacket would be the preferred way of doing it (without consideration to the effort involved to set it up).