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Daelomin
09-03-2012, 07:56 AM
Just did up my first 1-gallon batch of JAOM and things seem to be progressing nicely! It's bubbling away as we speak. Now, I have some limited experience with brewing (I've done a few partial-extract homebrewed beers) and something at the end of the JAOM recipe seems completely foreign to me, so I just wanted to ask about it here and find out what the scoop is.

It says in the recipe that after about 2 months "you can put a hose in with a small cloth filter on the end into the clear part and siphon off the golden nectar", but what do you do with it at this point? Does it mean that it's immediately drinkable from here? Do you bottle it? I get the impression that you just drink it from here, so that leads to another question... is mead not supposed to be carbonated, like beer? I don't know why I assumed it did, but this revelation makes me want to just make sure. Also, if someone were to bottle it with a little added honey to let the yeasties do more in the bottle (like when you bottle condition an ale to carbonate it), what would the effect be? Would it still be good?

Thanks for your time!

THawk
09-03-2012, 08:41 AM
First of all, welcome to GotMead!!

Yes, a JAOM is drinkable straight out of fermentation. But like any good wine, it gets better with age. Try to keep from touching it for 6 months or so and you'll find that it's simply awesome! ;D



Just did up my first 1-gallon batch of JAOM and things seem to be progressing nicely! It's bubbling away as we speak. Now, I have some limited experience with brewing (I've done a few partial-extract homebrewed beers) and something at the end of the JAOM recipe seems completely foreign to me, so I just wanted to ask about it here and find out what the scoop is.

It says in the recipe that after about 2 months "you can put a hose in with a small cloth filter on the end into the clear part and siphon off the golden nectar", but what do you do with it at this point? Does it mean that it's immediately drinkable from here? Do you bottle it? I get the impression that you just drink it from here, so that leads to another question... is mead not supposed to be carbonated, like beer? I don't know why I assumed it did, but this revelation makes me want to just make sure. Also, if someone were to bottle it with a little added honey to let the yeasties do more in the bottle (like when you bottle condition an ale to carbonate it), what would the effect be? Would it still be good?

Thanks for your time!

Riverat
09-03-2012, 09:18 AM
And yes, bottle it after the fruit drops and it's clear, and no it's not going to carb as the bread yeast will not be able to consume all the honey that is present. that is it will be sweet and still.

Khan
09-03-2012, 11:26 AM
is mead not supposed to be carbonated, like beer? I don't know why I assumed it did, but this revelation makes me want to just make sure. Also, if someone were to bottle it with a little added honey to let the yeasties do more in the bottle (like when you bottle condition an ale to carbonate it), what would the effect be? Would it still be good?!

Mead can be sparkling/carbonated and it tastes just fine either way. I have taken to making gingerale (with and without alcohol) and they are bottle carbonated, and taste just fine IMHO.
Be careful when you bottle, especially if you are carbonating on purpose; if you are not careful, you will find a room full of broken glass and a sticky mess! Make sure you have the correct bottles, like beer/soda or champagne bottles... something designed to handle the pressure.

kudapucat
09-03-2012, 05:33 PM
WOAH!!!!!

Hold up there everybody!

The man said he was making JAO.
JAO has residual sweetness.
What this means is there's ALREADY extra sugar(honey) for the yeast to eat, only they're dead on account of poisoning themselves with the alcohol they produced.

So.
Short answer is: no, you can't carbonate in the bottle.

Long answer is: it can be carbonated, but you must use legging equipment.

Personally, I believe a JAO is sweet enough to benefit from carbonation, but I've not done more than samples so far. Try uh with a soda stream maker if you like.
JAO is designed as a flat desert wine. If you dry it out ever so slightly, it makes a good "chick drink", which the boys and I really enjoy.

As for drinking straight up:
Alcohol and yeast are fickle beasts.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes not.
JAO is always drinkable 3months after adding the yeast, and pretty damn fine 6 months after, I've never had one last longer.
IMHO, it needs to be off the fruit for a while to taste good. So as soon as the fruit drops, bottle it - and start making another, as you'll find none of this will last 3 months, let alone 6!!

Chevette Girl
09-03-2012, 06:18 PM
Daelomin, welcome to the forum!!

Remember, the JAO recipe was designed for people not necessarily familiar with winemaking or the usual equipment... When the fruit sinks is usually when I rack it. I have bottled it straight from there but usually I manage to kick up some of the sediment so I usually rack it to a fresh carboy for at least a couple weeks to settle out. I don't bother topping it off at this point and so far I've never had one oxidize from it (not to say you SHOULD continue breaking all the usual winemaking rules once you've racked it, just some anecdotal evidence of how idiot-proof this recipe has been for me if you follow the rest of its directions).

Sweet AND carbonated mead is a difficult proposition without kegging equipment, as Kudapucat and Riverat indicated.

THawk
09-03-2012, 06:56 PM
Long answer is: it can be carbonated, but you must use legging equipment.


Pardon the smartass answer, I never knew that ankle weights and tights would be a necessary part of mead making... ;D

kudapucat
09-04-2012, 08:32 AM
LoL Smart-arse.
Have no fear - comment taken in jest.
Stupid bloody iPhone always putting American words in with autocorrect.
It's like the rest of the world doesn't exist.

Chevette Girl
09-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Stupid bloody iPhone always putting American words in with autocorrect.
It's like the rest of the world doesn't exist.

Well, it doesn't, does it?
;D

(is there a way to turn that off? If not I'm likely never going to get a more than dumb cellphone...)

And if you think Autocorrect is fun, you should have tried the DragonNaturally Speaking dictation software in its earlier years. Dictating a technical paper to it always gave my poor boyfriend the most hilarous results for his essays...

kudapucat
09-04-2012, 04:37 PM
Lol.
Fortunately voice to text is pretty good.
Also autocorrect's not that bad. I make use of it 1in 5 words. It's just the 1 in 10 times that it it does the right thing, and the 1 in 5 of those times that I don't notice.
It puts apostrophes in, capitalises when needed - including proper nowns - fixes typos because the keyboard is so small.
It really is brilliant - until it stuffs up :-)
Anyhow, we're getting a bit far off topic methinks.

Chevette Girl
09-04-2012, 08:23 PM
- including proper nowns - fixes typos because the keyboard is so small.
It really is brilliant - until it stuffs up :-)


it apparently also doesn't know what a noun is :)

Sorry, back on topic!!

Kegging equipment!! There, corrected!