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tnc
11-18-2014, 03:56 PM
Have anyone tried making a BOMM with dry east? Specially the Lalvin and Red Star families?

Squatchy
11-18-2014, 04:16 PM
The magic is in the specific yeast. It won't be ready in a month if you deviate

tnc
11-18-2014, 06:21 PM
The magic is in the specific yeast. It won't be ready in a month if you deviate

That's why I am looking for an alternative. Where I live it's very hard to find liquid yeasts. :(

ostensibly
11-18-2014, 09:59 PM
Is delivery out of the question? any number of retailer sites like morebeer carry and ship liquid yeast.

mannye
11-18-2014, 10:36 PM
BOMM is the yeast... without 1388 it's not BOMM.

joemirando
11-19-2014, 12:07 AM
Is delivery out of the question? any number of retailer sites like morebeer carry and ship liquid yeast.

Hmmm... Gotta find a way of getting places like that to advertise here.

clone63
11-19-2014, 01:04 AM
I'm personally too cheap to have anything shipped that would triple the bill lol.
Considerably a worhwhile expense were one to wash the yeast and use it for several generations.

kuri
11-19-2014, 04:48 AM
I'm personally too cheap to have anything shipped that would triple the bill lol.
Considerably a worhwhile expense were one to wash the yeast and use it for several generations.

You don't need to wash it, actually. You can just collect it and reuse it. If it's fresh, you can use it as is. If you let it sit over a week or two in the fridge you'd need to make a starter to get the best results.

Maeloch
11-19-2014, 05:21 AM
Where are you? The yeast is the Duvel yeast - you could try growing up that from the bottles. I made a good mead from that, but it did stall out a bit early.

homoeccentricus
11-19-2014, 06:23 AM
Duvel uses bottle yeast, so it's not the same.

Midnight Sun
11-20-2014, 12:16 AM
That's why I am looking for an alternative. Where I live it's very hard to find liquid yeasts. :(
If there are microbreweries near your location, you might see if any are making Belgians and ask after the type of yeast used. If it is the 1388 (White Labs WLP570 is said to be very close and could work in a pinch), then buy a bottle and create a culture. Or you could even ask for a yeast sample if you are bold enough.

All that said, you'll probably spend just as much money buying beer as you would simply buying a smack pack and getting less guarantee. Harvesting yeast from starters or washing yeast will allow you to get many batches out of a single pack. That should take the sting out of making your purchase.

Maeloch
11-20-2014, 05:22 AM
Duvel uses bottle yeast, so it's not the same.

Hrmm good point, and probably why it didn't perform. But are you sure it's different or it's just an unknown if it's the same yeast? I've googled this for quite a bit without finding any confirmation one way or the other.

homoeccentricus
11-20-2014, 12:04 PM
I'm pretty sure. This has been discussed many times on beer forums in Belgium and the Netherlands. I'm even pretty sure Duvel is pasteurized before bottling, so separate bottling yeast would have to be added.

mannye
11-20-2014, 12:08 PM
If you're in the USA, then it's very easy to get your hands on Wyeast 1388. It's available from a number of online retailers including Amazon as well as directly from Wyeast. If you're worried about getting raped on the cost, then just have enough honey to make three 5 gallon batches one after another. That's how I do it. I put one bag into the bucket with the first batch, then once primary is done I throw the second batch right on top of the first one. Then once the second one is done, I wash the yeast, and throw that entire "super starter" (not really but almost) into the third batch. I don't take it farther than three generations. If you look at the yeast bank instructions loveofrose put up, you can buy one pouch and have an almost endless supply of yeast. I'm too lazy/stupid/drunk to do that, but those that do seem to like it.

homoeccentricus
11-20-2014, 12:08 PM
In the coming months I will probably carry out a BOMM experiment with a new dry Belgian yeast, Fermentis Safbrew Abbaye. It's definitely not the Duvel yeast, but rather one of the Trappist yeasts (Chimay, Westmalle, Rochefort). Maybe that one will be good on mead.

pedroblom
05-10-2016, 06:53 AM
I was looking for a dry yeast myself to make a dry yeast BOMM
Check this out. Its a dry yeast BOMM experiment.

https://denardbrewing.com/blog/post/DryBOMMAromatic/

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HunterandtheHarp
05-12-2016, 09:29 PM
I'm working on this at the moment. I purchased about 10 Belgium ale yeasts and plan to run a side by side experiment. Of course it won't be the BOMM but it will give some direction as to what can work.
Ive already started with a Aussie made Belgium yeast and a Mangrove Jacks Belgium yeast that was ready in a month. 1.085 to 1.000 in a couple of weeks. Rested, cold crashed and just bottled less than a week ago, so it is possible.

pedroblom
05-17-2016, 11:45 AM
I'm working on this at the moment. I purchased about 10 Belgium ale yeasts and plan to run a side by side experiment. Of course it won't be the BOMM but it will give some direction as to what can work.
Ive already started with a Aussie made Belgium yeast and a Mangrove Jacks Belgium yeast that was ready in a month. 1.085 to 1.000 in a couple of weeks. Rested, cold crashed and just bottled less than a week ago, so it is possible.
Will you document and publish your result? Im looking for a dry ale yeast alternative too.

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