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joemirando
02-25-2015, 05:03 PM
Leave it to them blokes down undah! These guys (http://www.goodfood.com.au/good-food/food-news/honeyontap-beehive-a-crowdfunding-success-for-father-and-son-team-20150223-13m6yo.html) came up with what sounds like a great idea. I just wonder how the bees will like it.
There's more here (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flow-hive-honey-on-tap-directly-from-your-beehive).

Medsen Fey
02-25-2015, 05:35 PM
Neat idea.
Now we just need to design the automatic fermentation system to attach to it...[emoji41]

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Shelley
02-26-2015, 07:01 AM
They've got the potential for a pneumatic system to attach to the frames. Pump the honey straight into the fermenting tanks inside a brewhouse...

I think you're on to something.

smertz001
02-26-2015, 08:29 AM
Damn.

I think I need to convince my friend that I got into keeping bees to get these now! (=

Shelley
02-27-2015, 07:38 AM
I really, really, really want to get these, but I'm holding back. I want to make sure they can handle the demand on the production side. They're brilliant marketers -- can they manufacture, too?

Plus, I suspect that (despite the cautions in the videos) a lot of people will grab them who've never kept bees before. One winter die-off will kill that enthusiasm for a bunch of folks, and in a year they will want to offload the hives to recoup some of their initial investment. (Plus, after a year, we'll know better what the challenges are -- if any -- with these frames.)

kuri
02-27-2015, 09:49 AM
Good point Shelley. I've been salivating over this invention for 3 days now, and have NO experience raising bees. These guys have received close to 3.5 million US dollars in pledges so far, less than a week into their 7 week campaign. They were looking for $70,000. I'm guessing they're elated, but now starting to panic trying to figure out how they're going to meet this huge demand. Not a bad problem to have, mind you ....

Shelley
02-27-2015, 09:53 AM
I agree. They say they've hired a manufacturing person, so hopefully they'll get it right.

mannye
02-27-2015, 01:40 PM
I'll bee watching this one! I've got a perfect place to put a beehive right on my balcony. How cool would it be to get pure untouched honey without having to do all the rigamarole that comes with harvesting the traditional way?


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Shelley
02-27-2015, 02:37 PM
The thing that people miss is that you still have to learn how to keep bees. The honey is only part of it; the herd needs to be managed as well.

mannye
02-27-2015, 11:36 PM
The thing that people miss is that you still have to learn how to keep bees. The honey is only part of it; the herd needs to be managed as well.

You're right! To the uninitiated, it seems like the hard stuff is just the harvest. But it does seem like this hive will make it easier and eliminate the need to "destroy" the hive. Plus I think that in my area, without the need to winter the bees it may be that much easier. That said, I'm sure I would need to read, train and learn from a local beek before I ventured into the hobby. It is really just another interesting facet of mead making.

Shelley
02-28-2015, 06:56 AM
In my opinion, it is the hardest part of beekeeping -- now. It's tedious, and messy, the least fun, and the most work out of the whole arena of beekeeping (for me). But I'm past the bulk of the learning curve. (And it's totally engrossing as a hobby - let me talk you into it.)

And you're right - it's a fascinating part of mead making. :-)

TXMeadGuy
03-01-2015, 09:12 AM
Wow, this thing is ingenious. :) I plan to get into beekeeping in a few years (don't have the land for it now).

smertz001
03-03-2015, 12:17 PM
Wow, this thing is ingenious. :) I plan to get into beekeeping in a few years (don't have the land for it now).

In Houston, you don't need land, just a yard or a flat roof to put it on, or maybe a balcony (if you can hide it from other apartment dwellers if you are in an apartment.)

mannye
03-03-2015, 01:10 PM
I've got the spot! Just need to save the 600 plus whatever other associated costs to set up and maintain the thing. I figure around a grand when all is said and done.


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smertz001
03-05-2015, 07:48 AM
Yeah, my buddy I "enabled" into keeping bees was close to $1,000 (I like spending his money (= ) by the time it was all said and done.

Cheers!

mannye
03-05-2015, 10:50 PM
Yeah, my buddy I "enabled" into keeping bees was close to $1,000 (I like spending his money (= ) by the time it was all said and done.

Cheers!

Well then, since theoretically I don't have to get the smoke, bee suit (that's a bee costume. Wait...I'll still get that) and all the other stuff related to extracting honey, the extra cost of the hive itself kind of makes it a wash. I'm going to see a beek this weekend supposedly to get this legendary 120 dollar pail of palmetto honey and I'm going to show him the video and see what he says.


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Shelley
03-06-2015, 06:42 AM
For a first year (and even second or third) year beekeeper with one hive, you don't need that much extracting equipment, if you're prepared to be patient. The "crush and strain" method does a lot of folks quite well for very little.

Flow hive would be tons easier, though. :)

mannye
03-06-2015, 09:25 AM
With the crazy neighbors I have a flow hive is the only option. This a is high density urban area with litigious assholes all around.


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Medsen Fey
03-06-2015, 08:22 PM
With the crazy neighbors I have a flow hive is the only option. This a is high density urban area with litigious assholes all around.


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That's what has prevented me from taking a stab at it (along with lack of time and lack of money). I can just imagine the lawsuit I'll have when my hive gets Africanized and stings somebody. [emoji15]

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WVMJack
03-06-2015, 09:22 PM
Urban beekeeping is growing stronger and stronger, subscribe to BeeCulture if you guys want to support beekeeping and get the news like regional honey prices, the thinking of beekeepers and the inside workings of commercial outfits. You guys might actually be allowed to keep bess, you just assume being in the city you cant. Some beeks with imagination have even painted covers for their hives that look like air vents, HVAC boxes, electrical boxes are good to with a big high voltage sign on it! You meadmakers think you have a lot of gadgets, you can quadruaple it getting into beekeeping, especially seeing how gullible you guys are about a honey drain. WVMJ

mannye
03-06-2015, 11:06 PM
Urban beekeeping is growing stronger and stronger, subscribe to BeeCulture if you guys want to support beekeeping and get the news like regional honey prices, the thinking of beekeepers and the inside workings of commercial outfits. You guys might actually be allowed to keep bess, you just assume being in the city you cant. Some beeks with imagination have even painted covers for their hives that look like air vents, HVAC boxes, electrical boxes are good to with a big high voltage sign on it! You meadmakers think you have a lot of gadgets, you can quadruaple it getting into beekeeping, especially seeing how gullible you guys are about a honey drain. WVMJ

Ha ha... I just envisioned you as Bugs Bunny in the bullring... What a gulli-BULL...

EJM3
03-10-2015, 03:05 PM
I live in a small town, near the edge of it residentially, no bees, as they are an "exotic & dangerous animal".

First they are exotic because we imported them a few hundred years ago and have killed off over 50% of the wild bee population.
Second, not dangerous unless provoked, most "bee stings" are misidentified due to 95% of the US not knowing what the Frell a bee looks like (mostly wasps, etc, doing the damage)

Chickens, rabbits, etc are only allowed if all of your neighbors, defined as 350 feet from the edge of your property line to theirs, sign off. Then you have to send the city the blueprints, they then need to inspect the area you make for the animal & your electrical (inside your house and the power distribution panel). There are more rules/regs & drek, those just being the ones I remember off hand. So nothing for us, besides cats and dogs. With lots of dogs, barking, fighting, etc, all hours of the day/night, wandering the streets freely, peeing & pooping all over the place... I love dogs, had them around me since I was born, had ~30 dogs in my life so far, even own one now. But the neighbors don't have to ask me if it's OK for their dogs to leave a mess, dig holes, or attack my dog even!! A dog came to the fence and I had to hose him as he was going off, barking, mauling the fence & trying to attack my dog inside our property! City said it's not their problem, quote from them" If your dog is injured or killed then you have to take it up with the other dogs owner. Besides dogs aren't dangerous, dogs are friendly, don't you know that??". OK, rant over...

Our friends are going to buy some property and are thinking of at least 1 hive when they find a place, hopefully by this Summer! And hopefully not too far from us either!!

What kind of stresses can this put on the bees is my big question, you may not have to open it, but I'd like to see how this works. Is it gentler on the bees compared to standard extraction methods? Less stress?? Better production, lower?? Ease of maintenance?? Cost of replacement parts?? Etc....

mannye
03-10-2015, 04:38 PM
Well I don't know. Really, i have no clue, but just from observing the current method which is to basically destroy the hives , produce a mini bee apocalypse and then make the critters completely rebuild the ruined hive, then compare it to a kind of "crack" that develops causing a leak which makes all the butch members of the hive roll their eyes because they now have to patch the walls AGAIN it seems much less invasive..

But of course it could be just as devastating to the bees. I'm no expert on bees.

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