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McJeff
06-24-2015, 11:32 AM
Is there any point of fining before you filter? Beyond not clogging up a filter pad too fast, but I'll be letting it age and clear before I filter.

mannye
06-24-2015, 01:12 PM
Absolutely. Filtering only polishes the final product. That depends on how long you let it sit and how many times you rack during the aging process. If it sits for a year or more and you've racked it two or three times (I cold crash before each racking) then you may not need to use finings. Some people claim that finings strip flavor away.

Regardless of your opinion, either by fining or waiting, you should only filter wine that's already crystal clear. At least you will think it's crystal clear until it goes through a filter.

PitBull
06-24-2015, 03:37 PM
Is there any point of fining before you filter? Beyond not clogging up a filter pad too fast, but I'll be letting it age and clear before I filter.
I've done it both ways. But as mannye said, the mead should be crystal clear before filtering regardless of whether you had previously fined.

However, even fined and filtered wine/mead can drop sediment over time. I previously posted a link to this short article on the subject of sedimentation occurring even after filtering: Understanding Sediment in Wine (https://sontes.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/understanding-sediment-in-wine/)


I have never cold crashed. I know it "cures" wine crystals, but is it a 100%, sure-fire cure to the long-term sedimentation problem?

mannye
06-25-2015, 09:49 AM
I've done it both ways. But as mannye said, the mead should be crystal clear before filtering regardless of whether you had previously fined.

However, even fined and filtered wine/mead can drop sediment over time. I previously posted a link to this short article on the subject of sedimentation occurring even after filtering: Understanding Sediment in Wine (https://sontes.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/understanding-sediment-in-wine/)


I have never cold crashed. I know it "cures" wine crystals, but is it a 100%, sure-fire cure to the long-term sedimentation problem?

Nope. I have had sediment in mead that I fined, cold crashed and filtered. Very frustrating. But the smallest I go is one micron. .5 would probably eliminate 99% of sediment.


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mannye
06-25-2015, 09:51 AM
Double post

PitBull
06-25-2015, 05:08 PM
Nope. I have had sediment in mead that I fined, cold crashed and filtered. Very frustrating. But the smallest I go is one micron. .5 would probably eliminate 99% of sediment.

I have had sediment with a 0.5 micron nominal filter. I'm wondering if the wine may contain some dissolved solids when bottling, but much later they precipitate out of the solution.

McJeff
06-25-2015, 08:34 PM
So fining will get stuff filtering won't. Ok perfect!

mannye
06-26-2015, 12:55 AM
Not necessarily! Really fine particles will remain even after fining.


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Mikeymu
06-26-2015, 04:47 AM
This probably isn't a helpful suggestion but I've noticed that if I boil the honey solution and skim off the stuff that rises, then add pectic enzyme once cool, and wait for 12 hours of course before adding yeast I end up with perfectly clear mead in a short time - so far anyway! Obviously there are those who avoid heating the honey solution in an attempt to preserve as much of the original character of the honey as possible, but then there are some who avoid using finings as they say it affects flavour too!

Then again I've used bentonite to clear a cold-started mead before only to find sediment continues to form after many months so personally I prefer to start in a way that means the mead goes clear quickly as I'm a bit of a faffer - I had to go back and rack from bottle to bottle as sediment continued to form.

mannye
06-27-2015, 05:54 PM
I'm curious to try the same recipe boil and no boil to find out if there are appreciable differences in taste.


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Mikeymu
06-28-2015, 04:58 AM
I'm curious to try the same recipe boil and no boil to find out if there are appreciable differences in taste.


Sent from my TARDIS at the restaurant at the end of the universe while eating Phil.

That's a good idea Stanley! No seriously I'd be one of the many others interested in the results.

mannye
06-28-2015, 03:34 PM
That's a good idea Stanley! No seriously I'd be one of the many others interested in the results.

Well here's another mess you've gotten me into!


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Clwurster
06-28-2015, 04:28 PM
I vote for Mannye to do the experiment for us. All in favor say aye

edblanford
06-28-2015, 05:38 PM
Aye, aye, Sir! LOL

mannye
06-28-2015, 11:09 PM
Fine! hee hee pun. I have a couple of of 1 gal carboys freeing up in a couple of weeks. Summer Cider is just about done.