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webmaster
10-20-2004, 08:53 PM
OMIGOD!!! Ray Daniels e'd me yesterday and asked me to judge, and Julia at Redstone asked me today! I'm flippin out here! Now I have to go and read *everything* I can get on judging, to make sure I'm worthy!

Vicky - in mild panic mode now

David Baldwin
10-20-2004, 09:01 PM
Well Congratulations indeed!

I wish I could be there this year, but have it on the calendar for next year for sure.

Have fun!

Jmattioli
10-20-2004, 09:01 PM
The queen bee needs no justification. She is worthy of this honor. Her workers will support her. Bzzz Bzzz
Joe

webmaster
10-20-2004, 09:03 PM
Thanks guys! But i'm not all that and a bag of chips. I'm just another mead maker, not even particularly good. I'm just a pack rat who put her stash up on the web......

Vicky - finishing ticket booking and stuff for the Fest

Pewter_of_Deodar
10-20-2004, 09:44 PM
Vicki,

Congrats!

Just as a starting point in case you do not have others...

http://www.mv.com/ipusers/slack/bjcp/styleguide25.html

Best of luck,
Pewter

GntlKnght
10-21-2004, 03:03 PM
;D
Congrats!!! Let me see if you are qualified.
Do you...
...drink Mead? check!
...have an opinion? check!
...be willing to share said opinion? double check!

ding ding ding! Vicky is quite qualified indeed!!!

Let us know how it goes and, more importantly, how we can get a hold of the best meads! ;)

Have fun!
GntlKnght

Oskaar
10-21-2004, 03:26 PM
Do you need any assistant judges? I mean, that's an awful lot of mead for just one person to handle on their own. LOL

Seriously though, if you need any reference material let me know, I have some stuff that may be helpful.

Oskaar ;)

WikdWaze
10-21-2004, 03:43 PM
Does this mean we get special consideration if we enter something? 8)

David Baldwin
10-21-2004, 04:59 PM
Wikd,

Do you think your's will really be ready by then? ;D ;D ;D

Suzy_Q_Brewmistres
10-21-2004, 07:13 PM
Congrats Vicky....

Do us proud... you can't do anything less. And have fun while you are there. Take notes and share your adventure with us when you get home.

:-*Suzy Q Brewmistress

WikdWaze
10-22-2004, 03:55 AM
Wikd,

Do you think your's will really be ready by then? ;D ;D ;D

Maybe, if I think happy thoughts. ;D


Wish I could be at the fest, good luck Vicky.

webmaster
10-22-2004, 08:56 AM
Thanks for the support, y'all! This one is judging for commercial meads, so I've an unparalleled opportunity to taste and compare the nations finest commercially sold meads.

The cool thing is, I'll be able to come back here and do a write up on both the festival itself, and what I thought of the meads I taste. I'm also going to the open tastings, so I'll get to actually *swallow* some of them! At the judging you can't do that, or you'll be trashed before you're done!

Anyone who has good info on judging (thanks for yours Pewter, I'm reading it now -- and linking it on Gotmead for future judges), please put it up here. I'll collect them for me, and create a new judging section on Gotmead for others who might end up where I'm at, either in a homebrew or commercial contest.

Thanks again for all y'all's support, and I'll take lots of pix and a few short videos at the show, and do a detailed write up on everything I see!

Vicky - really getting excited now

Oskaar
10-22-2004, 12:08 PM
Here's a link to the "Treatise on Judging Mead" page by Michael L. Hall:

http://hbd.org/atommash/hall/mead_judging.pdf

Here's some info from Mead Made Complicated:

http://www.meadmadecomplicated.org/mead_tasting/tasting.html

I also have the tech sheets from the American Homebrewer's Fetstival 1993 section on Mead, types of mead, scoring, flavors etc.

The BJCP is pretty much a reprint of that. There is some controversy out there about the BJCP and it's value to mead, but I don't know enough about the players or issues involved to really dive into it.

Cheers,

Oskaar

WikdWaze
10-22-2004, 01:01 PM
I've read the BJCP guidelines for mead, they strike me as utterly useless.


Since we're on the subject of judging, I'd like to point out what I feel is a major issue in mead competitions. The categories are too broad, there are simply not enough styles for fair judging. For example, look at melomels. How can you compare a cherry melomel to a strawberry or a mixed-fruit? The same can be said for every other style of mead. My braggot certainly won't taste like one made with a different honey and malt, how could somebody say one was better than the other? I think these competitions have to narrow the categories quite a bit to make it fair. Look at beer, tons of different styles, some quite similar to each other. I know you can't define every possible style, but you should be able to give enough options so that we aren't literally comparing apples to oranges. The styles could still be broad enough to allow for experimentation.

Jmattioli
10-22-2004, 01:57 PM
How can you compare a cherry melomel to a strawberry or a mixed-fruit? The same can be said for every other style of mead.
Real easy Wikd, Just taste them. They aren't rated on whether the judge likes cherry better than strawberry. They are rated on how the fruit character came through irregardless of the fruit. That along with other charcteristics like balance etc.. that make no difference whether considering one fruit or the other. An experienced judge knows a good melomel from a bad or mediocre one.
Joe

WikdWaze
10-22-2004, 10:30 PM
Real easy Wikd, Just taste them. They aren't rated on whether the judge likes cherry better than strawberry. They are rated on how the fruit character came through irregardless of the fruit. That along with other charcteristics like balance etc.. that make no difference whether considering one fruit or the other. An experienced judge knows a good melomel from a bad or mediocre one.
Joe
Then why categorize at all? Just judge mead based on how it's designed characteristics come through. Lump them all together and declare a single winner.

Dan McFeeley
10-23-2004, 12:42 AM
OMIGOD!!! Ray Daniels e'd me yesterday and asked me to judge, and Julia at Redstone asked me today! I'm flippin out here! Now I have to go and read *everything* I can get on judging, to make sure I'm worthy!

Vicky - in mild panic mode now

Hi Vicky --

Congrats on joining the judging panel! Dick Dunn might be at the meadfest this year and may be judging. You're going to have a good time!

I'll be out there also -- I'm scheduled to give the history presentation on Friday. Looking forward to seeing you there.

-- Dan M.

Oskaar
10-23-2004, 01:00 AM
RAT SALAD!

I'm gonna miss that history presentation! I would actually stay out of the mead so I was lucid for Dan's address. I hope someone will be able to attend.

Oskaar

Dan McFeeley
10-23-2004, 01:39 PM
Something else that will be happening at this year's Meadfest is the formation of the mead organization that folk have been waiting for, ever since the demise of the American Mead Association. The name will be the International Mead Association. The meeting will be Saturday 12:30 to 3:00 pm.

It's still too new to have any idea what directions the IMA will be taking but I think we can predict great things for it once it begins to pick up steam.

webmaster
10-23-2004, 06:09 PM
Cool, Dan! Now we can finally get some time to talk that isn't standing around in a mall parking lot off the interstate! I'll look forward to seeing you, and hearing your presentation!

I'm also looking forward to the IMA info. I'm really glad that we're putting that back together, and hope I'll be able to participate in some way.....

Vicky - studying, and working on which talks I need to attend most

Dan McFeeley
10-23-2004, 11:14 PM
Vicky - studying, and working on which talks I need to attend most

Here's the line up:

Beginning Mead Making (Gary Glass, AHA)
Advanced Mead Making (Ken Schramm)
Mead Making as a Business (Panel discussion with meadery owners fielding questions)

Back to your participation on the mead judging panel, yeah, study hard but don't forget the most important part of all . . . tasting! It'd be a good idea to line up a whole bunch of meads, taste, make notes, taste some more. Yup, studying is such a grind. ;D

webmaster
10-24-2004, 08:56 AM
::LOL:: Yeah, it sucks to be the judge! I'm really looking forward to it. Can I take a copy of my notes with me when we're done so I can do extensive reviews of the various meads for the site? I wasn't sure about that, and was wondering if that would be allowed (although I plan to attend the tasting too). I thought about bringing my digital voice recorder for faster note taking....

I'm also wishing I took shorthand so I could get good notes on all the talks. My writing has never been all that great, sometimes *I* can't even read it! I wonder if my recorder will let me get that much......

::sigh:: So many opportunities, and so little time to get it all down...

Vicky - sitting in the Nashville airport for 4 hours waiting for her tech guys to arrive and get the rental car

Talon
10-26-2004, 01:16 PM
Hey! The IMA sounds like a good idea. I hope it will answer many of the questions that mazers have which have been answered for other areas such as for beer and wine makers. I look forward to hearing all about the innaugural meeting and what comes of it.