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Pewter_of_Deodar
05-03-2005, 09:55 AM
Hey all,

How many here will be at Pennsic War? Which group will you be camping with? Interested in a Beginner's Mead Tasting? When do you arrive? All those sorts of things...

Pewter (the pre-registered already)
Camping with House deLondres in X-04

toolboxdiver
05-03-2005, 10:15 AM
Hey all,

How many here will be at Pennsic War? Which group will you be camping with? Interested in a Beginner's Mead Tasting? When do you arrive? All those sorts of things...

Pewter (the pre-registered already)
Camping with House deLondres in X-04



Where is it at Pewter??? sounds like a great time ...... you got some more info

Val
05-03-2005, 10:33 AM
I'll be at Pennsic for all of both weeks.

I camp with the Oldcastle household, just look for the 30 foot round megalino with no ropes or side-poles and blue trimwork.

I would absolutely be up for a get-together. The earlier in the event the better (once the fighting starts I stay pretty busy).

Oh, and this MIGHT be better off in the SCA section, to avoid confusing the mundanes ;)

Mynx
05-03-2005, 11:06 AM
Waaaaay to far away for Pennsic, but I will be at the Clinton War this August :D

Val
05-03-2005, 11:23 AM
There's no such thing as too far for Pennsic 8)

WRATHWILDE
05-03-2005, 02:58 PM
I will be at Pennsic, I don't know where yet, but I'll let you know. I'll be there the 2nd week.
Wrathwilde

artmc
05-03-2005, 04:43 PM
Where is it at Pewter??? sounds like a great time ...... you got some more info



Just incase anyone did not respond to this.

Pennsic War (August 5th to 21st, 2005)
http://www.pennsicwar.org

"Pennsic is held at the Cooper's Lake Campground in Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania"

http://www.cooperslake.com/
205 Currie Road, Slippery Rock, PA 16057
(724) 368-8710



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toolboxdiver
05-03-2005, 05:00 PM
Where is it at Pewter??? sounds like a great time ...... you got some more info



Just incase anyone did not respond to this.

Pennsic War (August 5th to 21st, 2005)
http://www.pennsicwar.org

"Pennsic is held at the Cooper's Lake Campground in Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania"

http://www.cooperslake.com/
205 Currie Road, Slippery Rock, PA 16057
(724) 368-8710



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WOW thats about 5 hours from me. I have a Pow Wow to attend the beginning but may just have to make it there for a few days the second week, Thanks Art

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-04-2005, 09:29 AM
Pennsic is about 12,000 people, dressing in medieval garb, spending up to two weeks in a large community created at Cooper's Lake Campground in Slippery Rock, PA. I suggest you go to the link that was provided in a previous post and do a little reading.

Pennsic is not a brewer's event. Pennsic is actually also not an SCA event strictly speaking. There are many non-SCA groups in attendance (like the Tuchux). It is a little pricey and you pay the same price whether you attend one day or all two weeks (check the website for details). Pennsic has rightfully been described as a Ren Faire on steroids...

In order to realistically attend, you need camping gear and medieval clothing for however many days you will be there. You will want a lot of your items to be medieval in nature (mug, plates, footwear, clothing). The only real rule is that you are requested to try and make yourself look "period" and try to hide the things that are not.

You need to find a group to camp with (highly recommended) or camp in the singles area. You probably need to be preparing now. Many people sleep in modern nylon tents. It is not a big deal and generally, anything that is in your tent can be modern since it is out of sight.

What you get in exchange is:
1. Evenings at wild parties (if that is you) that occur almost every night
2. Evenings around the campfire sipping mead and staring into the flames while listening to ladies with hauntingly beautiful voices sing old songs. (my favorite and VERY relaxing).
3. To watch mass battles with a couple thousand fighters banging on each other with rataan weapons while wearing armor up to and including full plate. (The mass battles are something to behold).
4. To attend classes on everything from meadmaking to period dancing to almost anything medieval. (see website)
5. To make new friends from all around the world, to fall asleep to the sound of drums in the distance every night, to feel for two weeks like you have stepped back in time.

I miss War (what we call Pennsic) the moment I leave the gates. By this time of year I cannot wait to get back to it! I have a list of things to pack and projects to complete before August and less than 100 days in which to do them.

Hope that I have painted a picture in people's minds...
Pewter

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-04-2005, 09:40 AM
More will be posted on the Mead Tasting party later. It is being hosted by myself and another poster here on Gotmead. It will be the Sunday before War week (middle Sunday) in the afternoon. It will be by invite only but invites will be attainable by request.

It is intended for Novice Brewers. The "price" for admission (besides your invite) will be one 750 mL bottle of cordials you have made or two 750 mL bottles of wine or mead that you have made. Spouses/significant others will also be welcome but they must also bring additional bottles for their admission. The idea is to have enough of everything for each person around the circle to be able to taste everything. We hope to have some Laurels in brewing available at the event to provide comments and advice on each item. The event is also intended to be a "tasting", not a drunken party...

I will start gathering names for invites about a month prior to War. We will likely restrict the event to about 3 dozen brewers. Comments or suggestions?

toolboxdiver
05-04-2005, 09:43 AM
Great explination Pewter, sounds like a great time I will have to really try to make it there.

Val
05-04-2005, 11:11 AM
Non-SCA folks need to realize that they will have to pay registration just to get on site, and they'll get funny looks if not in garb.

jeebeel
05-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Sounds very interesting and colorful.

What are the Tuchux?

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-04-2005, 12:24 PM
Tuchux are an interesting group... I believe they originally formed as a splinter group protesting certain things within the SCA. They recreate a male dominated society where the men are referred to as Dogs and their women I believe are called Wenches. The wenches do cooking, cleaning, child care, etc. and are very subservient, but only to their dogs. They even do waterbearing for them during the battles.

They generally dress in leather and furs. The dogs look tough and the women generally look sexy. The dogs are excellent fighters, maybe the best in the SCA, and are used on the battlefield like Napoleon used his Imperial Guards...

The Tuchux have a certain mystique to them and have a lot of wannabee's and groupies as a result. They also have a certain elitism, some of it earned on the battlefield, some of it resulting from name calling, bigotry, and what I generally refer to as "petty high school BS" (the old cool and popular people making fun of everyone not in their circle of friends). They make it quite plain that they do not care what others think of them and speak their minds. Unfortunately the few I read posts from thoughtlessly trample people for anything from being gay or transgendered, to being a poor/beginning dancer that is not up to their standards. Not caring what others think seems to be their excuse for not having to show any restraint on their criticisms of others.

I will be the first to admit that my only contact with the Tuchux has been online and generally been very unpleasant. The situation on pennsic.net (another good source of info for people wanting to learn about War) is that one of the dogs will say something nasty, like about kicking one of the transgendered people in the nuts through their dress, and then all the wannabees and groupies will laugh and post in agreement.

Fortunately, the cold, thoughtless, elitism of the Tuchux and their groupies are in the minority at War. Most of us consider everyone else at War to be friends after spending a few hours sitting around a campfire with them. In fact we refer to each other as our Pennsic family...

I'd love to see a lot of you at War!

jeebeel
05-04-2005, 12:50 PM
Hmmm ... "interesting" is one way to describe that.

Have fun and give us a story or two when you return.

artmc
05-04-2005, 03:00 PM
WOW thats about 5 hours from me. I have a Pow Wow to attend the beginning but may just have to make it there for a few days the second week, Thanks Art



And for me a little over 1 hour ;D

Plus the

The Greater Pittsburgh Renaissance Festival
http://www.pgh-renfest.com/

and the

Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire
http://www.parenaissancefaire.com/

Are within easy travel distance, particular the Greater Pittsburgh one Since I'm in
east suburbs of Pittsburgh. :)


The state RenFaire is held at Mount Hope Estate & Winery
http://www.parenaissancefaire.com/VirtualVineyard.htm

They also host the The Swashbuckler Brewing Company http://www.swashbuckler-beer.com/



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hedgehog
05-04-2005, 10:52 PM
Well, its just an hour from me, but me thinks I will pass. the sad little pittsburgh renfest is a bit much for me(maybe it was just the klingons I see there every year), so this should definately be a bit overboard.
Though I would be interesting in hearing more about the mead tasting party.
just my 2 cents,
hedgehog

webmaster
05-09-2005, 08:48 AM
I will be there this year (my first time, though I play in the SCA around Raleigh, and attend ren fests nationwide). I don't know if I'll be there first or second week yet, nor the household. A girlfriend invited me to share her tent space, and I'm waiting for her to get back to me with details so I can register. I'll post details when I know more.

Needless to say, I'm stocking up on mead. I may be a Horde of one, but by the Gods, I'll uphold the Horde standards.

Vicky - planning to pitch a batch of black raspberry this weekend in preparation, as well as some short-term mead and at least one cordial, likely a black raspberry horilka (recipe on the bar above)

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-09-2005, 01:44 PM
Vicki,

You want to come the 2nd week if it is a matter of one or the other. The 2nd week is when 90 percent of things happen. Hopefully see you there...

Pewter

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-16-2005, 04:14 PM
Vicki,

I would like to invite you to our Novice Mead, Wine, and Cordial Tasting Party as one of our experts. Of course, you will need to bring your sample to share as well. I will post party specifics in the events section.

Thanks,
Pewter

webmaster
05-16-2005, 10:45 PM
Thanks Pewter. I'll be there 2nd week, hopefully coming in Saturday sometime of the middle week. I'm pitching some new batches this week, using the fast stuff, so I'll have some yummies for the tasting, should I get there in time. I am attending at a friend's invitation, staying in her tent, so it really depends on what she has planned.

Vicky

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-17-2005, 09:09 AM
Vicki,

Bring your friend as well. All it takes is a second batch for samples and both of you can attend. As War gets closer I will contact you again to see what your plans are.

Thanks,
Pewter

WRATHWILDE
05-18-2005, 03:43 AM
Pewter,
I'll be camping with the Kingdom of Northshield. That narrows it down right? I don't know when I'll arrive yet. I was unable to get friday off and may have to work Sat. as well. It's a long drive from Dubuque, Iowa. So tasting at 2 p.m. Sunday may not be possible for me, I will be bringing my 1st mead, 5 of 6 gallons of it anyway.

I will track you down for some informal tasting and from there you can help find Vicky so I may present her with a bottle. I'd like to Meet, Drink, and Feast with you both, I just don't think it will be Sunday.

This will be my first real event (several dozen Ren Faires excluded) so I haven't really a developed persona yet, just some period garb. Introductions and Invites... especially to feasts, campfires and joviality of all kinds will be greatly appreciated, and a great excuse to break out the mead.

Wrathwilde

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-18-2005, 09:53 AM
Wrathwilde,

Very few people have "personaes" that differ significantly from themselves. They may claim so but most people are in a mode of "Pewter as a Gypsy" or "Pewter as an English Gentleman" where Pewter is constant, very much like his mundane person, and dresses period. Basically telling you not to sweat it...

Is your group on X-04? If so you have to walk about 20 feet to find me. We can even manage that after a few meads, right? ;D

Lookin' forward to seeing you there,
Pewter

WRATHWILDE
05-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Just asked Corydon Rathbone who is the land agent for the Kingdom of Northshield,
Looks like we'll be somewhere in N19. I could probably still find X-04 after a gallon of mead.

http://land.pennsicwar.org/maps/

Wrathwilde

WRATHWILDE
05-19-2005, 01:21 AM
Pewter,

On another thread you wrote -

"I went to Pennsic a little over a year ago and was adopted into a camp named De Londres. While not intending to insult anyone here, the two Barons of House De Londres are 2 of the top mead-makers in the world, if not the two finest. But I was ruined because House De Londres had three or four types of mead ON TAP for the entire week of War (Pennsic War). The 8 year old, aged on oak, Lingonberry mead I had that day was the best alcoholic beverage I had ever had (including all of the French wines, the mixed rum drinks, the cordials, etc.). So I leave War and return to Iowa, while the rest of De Londres returns to New York. No chance to brew (or drink) with them until next Pennsic because of the distances... *sigh*"

Do either of the Barons post on GotMead? I'd love to get their input on this forum if they did infact brew the finest beverage you've ever had.

Wrathwilde

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-19-2005, 01:16 PM
Wrathwilde,

Unfortunately, neither of the Barons of House DeLondres post on Gotmead. However, I believe you have just as much expertice in people like Oskaar, Joe, and Dan as you have in the Barons. DeLondres is actually in X-05, right there with the solar showers in the Cooper's side yard. I have a big yellow and blue tent and generally hang around camp...

See you there,
Pewter

Oskaar
05-19-2005, 04:57 PM
Hey guys!

Sounds like you're going to have a great time. Be safe, no meading and full contact swordplay! It would be great to hear about the meads that you taste and what you thought of them.

Cheers (come back in one piece)

Oskaar

Val
05-19-2005, 04:58 PM
That's why we fight during the day and drink at night ;D

WRATHWILDE
05-21-2005, 01:03 AM
I believe you have just as much expertise in people like Oskaar, Joe, and Dan as you have in the Barons.

But the paths they've walked down are undoubtedly different. It's not that the resources here are lacking, they are not at all. I would just be thrilled to observe the discussions between the Masters mentioned above and others who have mastered the craft. Similar to studying the Constitution then being invited to observe the actual deliberations of the founding fathers. The first may be what we live by but the second is far richer.

Wrathwilde

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-23-2005, 10:20 AM
Wrathwilde,

Baron Steffan will not be attending this year due to conflicts. Baron Sean (the Laurel Master Brewer) will be at War for some limited time (Tuesday to Thursday of War week) due to young children needing a family vacation (Disneyworld). Our house party is Tuesday so things might be a bit rushed, but if you stop in Wednesday or Thursday we might have a chance to sit down and chat with him.

Peace,
Pewter

lostnbronx
05-24-2005, 01:28 PM
But the paths they've walked down are undoubtedly different. It's not that the resources here are lacking, they are not at all. I would just be thrilled to observe the discussions between the Masters mentioned above and others who have mastered the craft. Similar to studying the Constitution then being invited to observe the actual deliberations of the founding fathers. The first may be what we live by but the second is far richer.

Wrathwilde


Wrath,

Do you think you could find the time to interview one or more of the SCA Brewmasters? If they don't post here, maybe we could get a touch of their experience into circulation by proxy! If there's no time at Pennsic, maybe you could arrange to contact them at another time. Possible questions might include methodology, recipes, philosophy behind the brewing, etc.

-David

Oskaar
05-24-2005, 11:04 PM
Great idea Bronx. It would be great to get their comments on how they use nuances to acheive a superior mead. If WrathWilde or Pewter could interview Baron Sean and post it here I know there would be many people that would like to see what they have to say and incorporate their techniques into their own methods.

Cheers,

Oskaar

WRATHWILDE
05-25-2005, 01:39 AM
lostnbronx,

Unlike many of the SCA veterans here, I am no war monger, I have the better part of 5 days to track down as many mead makers as I can. Can't think of a better way to (maybe) get invited to some awesome campfires, feasts and parties. I'll guarantee that even if I don't get to interview them I will get their contact #s & Emails and I'll invite them to join us on GotMead.


Don't worry friends...
"Robert's your Father's brother"

Thanks for the boot lostnbronx, I will start a new thread in the SCA files so you may all submit questions you'd like me to ask. Anything you're curious about I'll ask about. It doesn't matter if it's historic or modern, I'll try to get a little of their History/Philosophy/Yeast Preferences/Honey Varieties/Recipes if Willing/How they age... but I need more questions from all of you... GotMead Gods and newborns alike.

See "Questions for SCA Brewmasters" in the SCA Files.

Wrathwilde

Michael_Ng
05-25-2005, 12:48 PM
Very few people have "personaes" that differ significantly from themselves. They may claim so but most people are in a mode of "Pewter as a Gypsy" or "Pewter as an English Gentleman" where Pewter is constant, very much like his mundane person, and dresses period. Basically telling you not to sweat it...


Yes, but donít take too long developing your name and persona... Or you may have one given to you by your household.

In recent years, after spending time as a Town Crier at Northern Faire, Iíve taken on the period sounding name of "Phillip Bodger". However, within local SCA circles, Iím still commonly referred to by the very non-period name "Gizmo" that was given to me by my household after running around nameless for a few seasons.

And yes, getting everyone to use the new name is a pain...=)

Michael

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-25-2005, 01:50 PM
Michael,

You are right that there is a danger in going nameless. With me, Pewter is not a period name and cannot pass the scrutiny of the heralds. I will likely continue to go by Pewter even after I get an SCA name approved. Part of me wants to take a really, REALLY stupid society name so that it is easy to explain why I go by Pewter. Current choice is Peeter Thisblewhat... If I continued along those same lines I suppose I could go for Harold Scrotum, a pretty official sounding name. But then if your name was Harry..... wouldn't you go by Pewter too?!?! ::) ::) ::)

The problem is that you get called up in front of court using the official name and any awards or recognition are under that name as well. Not sure I want 500 people to hear me being called Harry... so for now it's just an unofficial Pewter.

Any suggestions?

Val
05-25-2005, 02:31 PM
My wife, until she finally chose an SCA name, was commonly referred to as "Fred" by some of our friends.

Val is actually the shortened version of m SCA name.

Mynx
05-25-2005, 03:14 PM
Not *officially* in the SCA (as yet) but when I go to events, I go by Molly Renwick.

Michael_Ng
05-25-2005, 03:35 PM
Pewter,

I am not a herald, but hereís my thoughts...=)

In the Kingdom of the West, the difference between Renaissance Faire and SCA names is that Faire names tend to be more on the fanciful side, while SCA names tend to be more plausible names for the time period. (Itís not necessary to be documented that somebody did have the name, but at least prove that itís plausible for somebody to have had it.)

With that in mind, your suggestions of "Peeter Thisblewhat" and "Harold Scrotum" tend to fall more on the fanciful side. While still somewhat commonly used in the SCA, I doubt that the Heralds would approve of such a name for "official" use.

My understanding is that Pewter, while probably not a common given name, is a period material.

Remembering that last/family names of the period were often descriptive and given based on job, location, etc...

Perhaps your back-story could be that you grew up in a town with two Michael Smiths. Youíre one of them. (You could choose any name besides Michael Smith if you wanted, but say that there were two of you in town.) The other Michael Smith is the town Blacksmith; you are the town Pewtersmith. (Hence the last name Smith.) In order to tell the difference, the townsfolk decided to give you the nickname of "Pewter".

Any lurking heralds on here want to comment?

Michael

Pewter_of_Deodar
05-25-2005, 06:30 PM
Michael,

Actually Peeter Thisblewhat is documentable from names on church registeries(sp?) during the late 1500's in England. I honestly believe it would be approved. Harry Scrotum was an example of a vulgar name no one would want to go by and may actually not be documentable. I intended it as a joke. BTW Woodcock is also documentable. I am sure there are many names with double meanings...

You really think Pewter could get through? My Shire's herald didn't think it would. If I could get it through I'd just go by Pewter fo Deodar...

Pewter

Michael_Ng
05-25-2005, 10:15 PM
Actually Peeter Thisblewhat is documentable from names on church registeries(sp?)


Well... I did say I am not a Herald... Now we know why... ;D



You really think Pewter could get through? My Shire's herald didn't think it would. If I could get it through I'd just go by Pewter fo Deodar...



I think Pewter would go through. But then we saw how good of a Herald I was above eh? ::)

But seriously, it would probably depend on if you could document the use of Pewter as a name somewhere. I have a friend that went by Amethyst for years before she submitted her name for "official" review. If I remember correctly, while Amethyst is a period material, she was not able to document anyone using it as a name. So now she goes by Isabella.

Michael