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Commander Toasty
06-09-2005, 01:24 PM
I have three different batches of melomel going right now, and will pitch another in three weeks. This is going to give me more quantity on hand than ever before, and I need to consider long term storage. I live in CA and the temp inside the coolest part of the house may hang around eighty for days, or even weeks. Is this too warm for long term storage? I could buy a couple of used refridgerators, but of course would rather not part with the money, plus the energy cost. And, if I do have to go the route of a fridge, what temp is best? Many thanks oh wise ones!

Greenblood
06-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Long term aging in the 80's is not something I would recomend. Harsh temperature fluctuations during aging are also bad. I admit that I store many of my meads for up to a year before consumption at room temperature, which for me is in the high 60's, but anything that I plan to age for a long term, I age on racks in a basement where the ambient temp rarely gets above 62 farenheit, and is usually in the mid 50's. How long to you plan to age your meads?

memento
08-23-2005, 12:22 PM
I'm just now planning for storage of my meads. Right now I have 1/2 batch bottled in grolsch pop tops, but in a few weeks I'll be bottling 6.5 gal in wine bottles. Can these be stored upright or do they need to be on their side? If they need to be on their side, and recommendations for large quantity wine bottle storage? I did a little searching online and the prices seem quite high. $250ish. They will be in my basement, which is a cool, constant temp.

JoeM
08-23-2005, 12:40 PM
Bottles need to be stored upright for a few days after corking and then on their sides for the duration of their lives. This prevents corks from drying out which can lead to oxidative damage and contamination. I buy cheap wine racks at Ikea.

Dmntd
08-23-2005, 12:59 PM
In my opinion the best way to keep cases of wine if you don't have a cellar is to rent a locker in one of the many commercial Wine Storage Facilities.

A number of years back I came across, Robert Mondavi "Reserve" 1997 Cabernet Sauvignon for $480.00 a case. A wine maker friend told me about these places, I've had a locker for years now.

Anthony

lostnbronx
08-23-2005, 01:03 PM
Anthony,

Sounds like a good idea -- what do rental spaces go for, usually?

-David

intothefray
08-23-2005, 01:55 PM
Sounds like a good idea -- what do rental spaces go for, usually?


I don't even have a reserve and that sounds like a wonderful idea.

memento
08-23-2005, 02:50 PM
That's pretty cool. But I have the space in my basement. cool and clean. I just don't look forward to spending hundreds on racks. Ikea is a good idea - I'll be checking their online catalog when I go home. There's no store near me, so it'll have to be over the internet.

HomeBrew
08-23-2005, 04:31 PM
You can also make your own wine/ mead racks fairly easily. I think my 48 bottle racks cost about $15 each in materials. I considered the labor entertainment.

Peace.

byathread
08-24-2005, 08:11 AM
Bottles need to be stored upright for a few days after corking and then on their sides for the duration of their lives. This prevents corks from drying out which can lead to oxidative damage and contamination.


Is it still necessary to lay bottles on their sides when corking with synthetics?

Thanks,
Kirk

intothefray
08-24-2005, 08:33 AM
That's pretty cool. But I have the space in my basement. cool and clean. I just don't look forward to spending hundreds on racks. Ikea is a good idea - I'll be checking their online catalog when I go home. There's no store near me, so it'll have to be over the internet.


I was looking at their online catalog and couldn't find any they would ship. They all said only available in stores.

memento
08-24-2005, 09:05 AM
"they all"? I could only find 1 plus a small part of one. The 1 I found was only 24 bottles and the part of one was the "shelf" portion. I'm thinking of following homebrew's path - make my own. The "X" style for maximum density?

Fortuna_Wolf
08-24-2005, 09:24 AM
Hey Homebrew, got any plans for those racks that I could take a gander at?

Also, IIRC, synthetic corks have a tighter seal, and won't dry out, etc. so, they don't need to be stored on their sides.

David Baldwin
08-24-2005, 10:03 AM
Here's a neat trick for building a cheap wine rack.

I use the foam filler material for corrugated roofing. A bit of double sided carpet tape will nicely hold it to a shelf, and the wavy undulations hold the bottles securely and gently.

You can get the corrugated filler strips from any of your local home improvement stores.

I like to start with inexpensive metal shelving units, reinforce them a bit and then add a filler strip to the front and back of the shelves. I've got them set up for 750ml wine bottles, 500ml Grolsch bottles, and standard beer bottles. It's easy to throw an old sheet or some burlap over the front to keep light away from the bottles.



David

Dmntd
08-24-2005, 11:37 AM
Hey David, I've seen yearly rates from $250.00 to over $1000.00.

Memento, take a look at the wine racks here, http://www.northernbrewer.com/wine-racks.html not a bad price.

Anthony

HomeBrew
08-24-2005, 12:05 PM
Memento,

I considered the X method as well but finally went with the straight design. Im not a carpenter by any means and trying to figure out how to measure, cut and install the x-style shelving made my head hurt. I was also afraid that any design flaws would lead to a pool of mead and a pile of broken glass on my basement floor.

Fortuna_Wolf,

Unfortunately, I did not draw up any plans for my design. I just kinda worked it out in my head and went at it. After the first one was built, the individual pieces were used as templates for the next ones. The original plan was to slap a coat a paint them since the goal was functionality and not looks. However, they ended up looking pretty slick so I sanded them and added a few coats of polyurethane. I can give you a better description of measurements and techniques when I get home tonight. I could also post a photo, but I am not sure how to go about that nowLet me know if you want me to email one.

Peace.

memento
08-24-2005, 12:30 PM
heeeeey. Now we're talking! I was not looking at brew stores - only furniture stores! $90 for 120 bottles. That's a leader so far.

memento
08-24-2005, 02:02 PM
152 bottles for $80

http://www.vintagecellars.com/productview.asp?productsid=93&prodcategoryID=17

but $40 for shipping.

HomeBrew
08-24-2005, 02:51 PM
I agree with David's comment about being able to put a curtain of some type on the rack. My basement is not totally dark and it does get a lot of indirect sunlight. So, all of my carboys get covered during fermentations and I hang curtains on the wineracks to keep out the light. It is easy to hang a curtain on a bookshelf-type rack, but hard to do on an open rack design. Of course, this point is moot if you have a completely dark cellar/ basement.

Glacierwulf
08-24-2005, 07:06 PM
Homebrew

I would also be intersted in seeing pictures of your mead racks with aprox overall dimentions.


Greg

memento
08-24-2005, 09:20 PM
I talked to a friend who does carpentry and he balked at the X style as being very tricky. But I'm pretty sure I found it. I like the wire rack. 152 bottles. That will hold me for a few batches.

HomeBrew
08-25-2005, 08:43 AM
Glacierwulf,

I tried sending photos and a description to the email address on your profile...It came back as undeliverable. Just let me know where I should post or send them.

Fortuna_Wolf,

Same comment...Let me know where to send or post the photos and I would be happy to get them to you.

Peace.

Oskaar
08-25-2005, 02:28 PM
Hey Homebrew,

We ran out of photo posting room in our photo section, but you can still post a link to the photos there if you wish.

Cheers,

Oskaar

HomeBrew
08-25-2005, 02:38 PM
Oskaar,

Any suggestions on where to post the photos initially to provide a target for the link?

IT is not my strong point.

Peace.

Oskaar
08-25-2005, 03:00 PM
Hey Homebrew,

Try this URL, Norskersword gave them a recommendation a while back:

http://www.photobucket.com/

Hope that helps,

Oskaar

David Baldwin
08-25-2005, 03:10 PM
Homebrew,

I've been using www.mypicgallery.com

It's free, and pretty user friendly.



David

HomeBrew
08-25-2005, 03:27 PM
Giddyup...Here is a link to some photos of my bottle rack. Keep in mind that I was going for functionality, not looks: http://brewpicks.mypicgallery.com/

Oh yeah, I will be correcting the spelling error on my raSberry melomel label.

Peace

Glacierwulf
08-25-2005, 07:03 PM
E-mail fixed ... i missed one letter at the end ::(

David Baldwin
08-25-2005, 07:51 PM
Homebrew,

That's one fine looking bottle rack you built!






David

HomeBrew
08-25-2005, 08:01 PM
Thanks! It certainly worked out better than my "beer boxes" I tried to make earlier this year. I have another that I am just finishing up on and I plan on making a third as well.

Peace.

memento
08-26-2005, 07:21 AM
nice. I found that my local homebrew store has a 100 bottle wire rack for $60. done deal. My wife is picking it up today, hopefully.