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Dmntd
06-28-2005, 04:56 PM
The Coconut is considered a fruit, would coconut water/milk count as fruit juice if used in mead?

Anthony

hedgehog
06-28-2005, 08:11 PM
Anthony,
I would say that it depends upon how you mean "count as fruit juice." If you meant that in the purpose of catagorizing your mead for melo/meth/etc, I would say that it definately counts as a (tropical) fruit juice.
As for ingrediant/yeast food purpose, I would think it should get its own grouping. Coconut milk is quite different chemically from "typical" fruit juice. I don't remember all the particulars off hand, but I remember something about its high oil content and its odd mineral content(high P,Mg, K). That is the reason why if trapped on a desert isle with no water, you should NOT drink coconut milk as it will only make things get worse a lot faster. It might be ok blended with something else, but straight coconut milk would need some tweaking to keep it within the yeast's tolerances for some things.
I am not sure how you meant the "count as fruit juice", so if I misunderstood you, let us know how you meant it and i will ramble further on what i know...
hope that helps,
hedgehog,

WRATHWILDE
06-29-2005, 01:02 AM
Commercial coconut milks and creams. If the fat content is 17%, it is called "coconut milk." If the fat content is 24%, it is called "coconut cream." But most of what you are purchasing is water.
I've just ordered some of this for experimenting with... http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/coconut_cream_concentrate.htm
I'm planning on mixing it with 180 (f) water, stirring well, letting the oils separate, putting it in the freezer to harden the oils for removal, then mixing with the must for fermentation. This won't be a Mead but an experiment for a Pina Colada alcohol to use for making same.

Wrathwilde

JamesP
06-29-2005, 01:15 AM
I'm guessing you want to allow head space for lots of frothing when disturbed during/post fermentation.

WRATHWILDE
06-29-2005, 01:44 AM
Yes, I expect it will be similar to my Chocolate Gusher. Anyone who still needs a good laugh...

http://www.gotmead.com/smf/index.php/topic,1082.msg8234.html#msg8234

I just read one of your post's on a chocolate gusher of your own, glad to know I'm not the only one.

Wrathwilde

Oskaar
06-29-2005, 02:57 PM
OK,

I'll do it. I didn't want to for fear of starting a dangerous trend, but, anyone else besides me ever made a chocolate coconut mead? Well, I was going for a Mounds bar kind of taste and it was pretty close.

Now, don't anyone point a finger at me after they decorate the ceiling trying this, but it was the basic chocolate recipe, with coconut cream in the primary, and more chocolate in the secondary to balance the coconut.

It was a very "lively" primary with the chocolate, but the secondary was not too bad. I've been looking for any notes that I have on this batch, but they're not to be found. I suspect they are on the "Dead Three Tapes" as I call them now that will not work for a restore to my backup server.

Note: I made this stuff during the time that I was using corny kegs as primary vessels, so that would mean I was using a blow off tube, and I remember that I did change the water pretty frequently in the first couple of days.

I'll look around some more.

Cheers,

Oskaar

WRATHWILDE
06-29-2005, 03:06 PM
I've been waiting for my chocolate mead to age before starting another... with coconut. I've also thought of maybe just splitting it, 1/2 being racked onto coconut to age.

Wrathwilde

Miriam
06-30-2005, 02:42 AM
Interesting to hear of a successful batch including coconut. I should have thought that something with so high a fat content wouldn't work. Oskaar, did the fat separate out during fermentation? Or did it stay homogenous?

Miriam

Oskaar
06-30-2005, 03:51 AM
There was some separation, so during racking I just racked under it. But, I did stir it in a few times to impart as much of that fat, sugar and carbohydrate flavoring as I could.

It was pretty nice. I tried some of the fat that was left from the racking, but the flavor was really less than I had expected it to be.

Hope that helps,

Oskaar