Hi all! So I have a fun little problem that I have been scratching my head on for the last week. I posted a similar thread on Reddit's r/mead, but it didn't get many answers so hopefully yall can help me clear a few things up.
So first off I made an amazing (to me) cyser about a year ago. I just finished another 2 cysers last week and the taste is quite poor. Now onto the details!
Awesome Cyser:
Primary:
4 gallons of apple juice from whole foods (no preservatives, no other nasties to hurt my yeasty beasties, just pure apple juice)
9 chopped fuji apples (also from whole foods so no wax or other junk on em)
1/2 gallon of honey
1 packet Montrachet yeast
I warmed up the honey but didn't boil it. Then I tossed everything in a fermentation bucket. I split the nutrient additions into 3rds. First third was added when I put everything in. 2nd third was added 2 days later and I degassed it. Last third was added 2 days after that (day 4) and I degassed again. I also degassed on day 6 then left it alone for another three weeks. During degassing I also made sure to splash a lot and try to get some oxygen dissolved into it. Overall total time was 4 weeks. No temp control, just in my basement so around 65 to 70 F or so.
Secondary:
1 gallon apple juice
1/4 gallon of honey
9 chopped fuji apples
So I racked everything over to glass and added in the above ingredients. I did my best to prevent any oxidation and left this for about 2 or 3 months.
Fining:
Potassium Sorbate
Potassium Metabisulfite
Pectic Enzyme
Bentonite
So I started by racking over everything and adding Potassium Sorbate, Potassium Metabisulfite, and Pectic Enzyme (I now know that this should be added in primary so oops). I then waited two weeks, racked again and added bentonite. Then I waited another 2 weeks and racked again. A couple months later I bottled and enjoyed. By far the best mead I have ever made.
Something strange mead:
Primary:
5 gallons of Apple Juice
3/4 gallons of honey
9 chopped fuji apples
1 packet Montrachet yeast
Tossed everything in a bucket, same as before. Did nutrient additions every 2 days and degassing. Only difference here is the extra honey and extra gallon of apple juice. After the first month I racked and started secondary.
OG was around 1.135 or so.
Secondary:
Basically just racked it, I didn't add anything here except for 3 sticks of cinnamon.
Fining:
Pectic Enzyme (I now know this should be done in primary, woops)
Potassium Sorbate
Potassium Metabisulfite
Bentonite
Sparkalloid
So for fining I followed about the same pattern. Rack then add Pectic Enzyme, Sorbate, Metabisulfite, and wait 2 weeks. Rack again, add bentonite, wait 2 weeks. Rack and add sparkalloid, wait 2 weeks. Rack again, wait a few months, then bottle.
FG was 1.030 or so.
Problem:
Now onto the problem. So my cyser this time doesn't taste like anything. No apple taste, no cinnamon taste, nothing. The closest I can describe is like a bone dry wine. Basically like water, alcohol, and something slightly sour/bitter mixed in. I didn't detect any sort of weird smells like an infection or vinegar or anything. Just a lack of flavor.
What I think I did wrong:
I think adding all the ingredients into primary instead of having some juice and honey in secondary basically had the yeast eat all the tasty sugars leaving no flavor behind. I'm kind of confused that my FG was 1.030 but it tasted bone dry, however.
Additionally I think my doubled up use of fining agents might have stripped out a bunch of flavor as well. I'm still pretty new to fining agents but the idea is that bentonite precipitates out all the negatively charged things and sparkalloid grabs all the positively charged things. I'm wondering if this effectively precipitated out my flavor?
So if anyone could comment/confirm/deny or anything on my suspicions in the What I did wrong area, or on my overall process, I would really appreciate it!
Thanks yall,
A newbee
So first off I made an amazing (to me) cyser about a year ago. I just finished another 2 cysers last week and the taste is quite poor. Now onto the details!
Awesome Cyser:
Primary:
4 gallons of apple juice from whole foods (no preservatives, no other nasties to hurt my yeasty beasties, just pure apple juice)
9 chopped fuji apples (also from whole foods so no wax or other junk on em)
1/2 gallon of honey
1 packet Montrachet yeast
I warmed up the honey but didn't boil it. Then I tossed everything in a fermentation bucket. I split the nutrient additions into 3rds. First third was added when I put everything in. 2nd third was added 2 days later and I degassed it. Last third was added 2 days after that (day 4) and I degassed again. I also degassed on day 6 then left it alone for another three weeks. During degassing I also made sure to splash a lot and try to get some oxygen dissolved into it. Overall total time was 4 weeks. No temp control, just in my basement so around 65 to 70 F or so.
Secondary:
1 gallon apple juice
1/4 gallon of honey
9 chopped fuji apples
So I racked everything over to glass and added in the above ingredients. I did my best to prevent any oxidation and left this for about 2 or 3 months.
Fining:
Potassium Sorbate
Potassium Metabisulfite
Pectic Enzyme
Bentonite
So I started by racking over everything and adding Potassium Sorbate, Potassium Metabisulfite, and Pectic Enzyme (I now know that this should be added in primary so oops). I then waited two weeks, racked again and added bentonite. Then I waited another 2 weeks and racked again. A couple months later I bottled and enjoyed. By far the best mead I have ever made.
Something strange mead:
Primary:
5 gallons of Apple Juice
3/4 gallons of honey
9 chopped fuji apples
1 packet Montrachet yeast
Tossed everything in a bucket, same as before. Did nutrient additions every 2 days and degassing. Only difference here is the extra honey and extra gallon of apple juice. After the first month I racked and started secondary.
OG was around 1.135 or so.
Secondary:
Basically just racked it, I didn't add anything here except for 3 sticks of cinnamon.
Fining:
Pectic Enzyme (I now know this should be done in primary, woops)
Potassium Sorbate
Potassium Metabisulfite
Bentonite
Sparkalloid
So for fining I followed about the same pattern. Rack then add Pectic Enzyme, Sorbate, Metabisulfite, and wait 2 weeks. Rack again, add bentonite, wait 2 weeks. Rack and add sparkalloid, wait 2 weeks. Rack again, wait a few months, then bottle.
FG was 1.030 or so.
Problem:
Now onto the problem. So my cyser this time doesn't taste like anything. No apple taste, no cinnamon taste, nothing. The closest I can describe is like a bone dry wine. Basically like water, alcohol, and something slightly sour/bitter mixed in. I didn't detect any sort of weird smells like an infection or vinegar or anything. Just a lack of flavor.
What I think I did wrong:
I think adding all the ingredients into primary instead of having some juice and honey in secondary basically had the yeast eat all the tasty sugars leaving no flavor behind. I'm kind of confused that my FG was 1.030 but it tasted bone dry, however.
Additionally I think my doubled up use of fining agents might have stripped out a bunch of flavor as well. I'm still pretty new to fining agents but the idea is that bentonite precipitates out all the negatively charged things and sparkalloid grabs all the positively charged things. I'm wondering if this effectively precipitated out my flavor?
So if anyone could comment/confirm/deny or anything on my suspicions in the What I did wrong area, or on my overall process, I would really appreciate it!
Thanks yall,
A newbee