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  1. Default Can I save this cyser?

    I have a gallon of cyser fermented with RC-212 yeast. This morning, I noticed there was a small amount of white gunk floating on the surface (around the edges) with a couple of strings reaching down into the cyser.

    Uh-oh, infection, I thought. I quickly dissolved 1/8 tsp pot meta in some water, added it to the cyser, and stirred.

    Should I add more? Will I be able in the future to make this cyser sparkling? It's already fermented dry to a SG of 0.998, and in fact I was planning on bottling it this week (I've already bottled the other two gallons).

    My recipe, roughly:
    just under 1 gallon sweet apple cider
    700 grams honey
    RC-212 yeast
    1/4 tsp pectic enzyme (added during fermentation)
    and now 1/8 tsp pot meta in 2 tbsp boiled water

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    I think your instincts about adding the k-meta are correct, however, I would have tried to rack the cyser below the white stuff into another container. Then hit it with k-meta.

    You may want to let it rest for a couple of weeks and see if the white stuff clears.

    I would not bottle it until you know how this will work out...

    Question for you, describe your racking procedure?

    Steve

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    I use an auto-syphon. Could that be a problem?

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    Auto-syphons are actually less risky than some other types of systems, since, for instance, you aren't introducing any mouth bacteria as you potentially could by sucking on a hose to get things started. The next big suspect would be your sanitation techniques. It can't be over-stated how important it is to have a good system down. Can you describe your exact method?

    -David

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    I bleach everything for 20 minutes, then rinse.

    I think the problem may have been with the cider itself being a little old. The white stuff has disappeared and it looks fine now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlene
    I bleach everything for 20 minutes, then rinse.

    I think the problem may have been with the cider itself being a little old. The white stuff has disappeared and it looks fine now.
    David nailed why I ask -- I've seen infections when using the mouth is used to start the suction. I have an auto siphon and love it... another technique, use water in the racking tubing to start the flow. Just FYI -- You may want to consider using idophor or k-meta as a santizing agent, TCA in corks has been linked to clorine usage.

    Steve

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    I've heard that pot meta is very inadequate for sanitizing equipment for meadmaking. Is that true? If not, how long does equipment have to be soaked to be considered sanitized? Or is it a contact thing where just spraying and waiting for the SO2 (or SO3) gas to form should be adequate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlene
    I've heard that pot meta is very inadequate for sanitizing equipment for meadmaking. Is that true? If not, how long does equipment have to be soaked to be considered sanitized? Or is it a contact thing where just spraying and waiting for the SO2 (or SO3) gas to form should be adequate?
    Actually, that is not true... k-meta has it's place.
    A quick search turned up the following:
    http://www.grapestompers.com/sanitation.asp

    Personally, i like iodophor, but I use k-meta for certain santizing situations.
    I've gotten away from using bleach... I used to use that when I made beer.

    Steve

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    Here's a link to a recent discussion here that was about various sanitation chemicals. It's interesting how many different views there are on this.

    -David

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