Beer Yeast Alcohol Tolerance Q

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I was considering making a mead with an ale yeast. I know that on average beer yeasts can go above 7-8% but what is their usual max? 10%? 14?

any info greatly appreciated.

`Wolfie
 
I have worked with 2 ale yeasts from White Labs and I have a third going now. They report:
Notes on alcohol tolerance:
Very High: Over 15%
High: 10-15%
Medium-High: 8-12%
Medium: 5-10%
Low: 2-5%

So for WLP029 German Ale/ Kölsch Yeast, the one I just started, it is rated for 5 to 10%, I think about 8 percent in a mead must from my 2 other tries. I don't brew beer, but the one thing that I have heard is that there are higher sugars in a beer wort, so the attenuation percentage can be thrown out the window (most of the sugar in honey is fermentable).

Good thread is here.

Liff
 
I've used white labs WLP530 and Safale S04 in metheglins. WLP530 is rated to 15% and Safale went to 10% with no problem bottle conditioning at that concentration, but I have no idea what it will go to. I'll be using White Labs California V ale yeast in an upcoming group brew with liff. I find these yeasts work nicely in meads if given proper nutes and tend to make a more quickly drinkable mead. Just my 2 cents.
 
Hey Wolfie!

I made a batch of JoeM's 'Basic Braggot' (do a search for the recipe - it is a good one) in August of 2006 and used a vial of White Labs Dry English Ale Yeast (WLP002). Mine finished @ 9.6% ABV. This is the only mead that I've used a beer yeast in and was (and still am, as I still have some of this braggot left!) very pleased with the finished product.

As a matter of fact, I'm going to make an AG version of this recipe sometime within the next 6 weeks or so and intend on using the same yeast.

Regards,

- GL63
 
I've got a packet of Safeale US-05 (Fermentis). It says "final gravity low to medium" but I don't see anything about an abv tolerance.

Thanks for the info y'all

~z
 
Wolfie,

The US-05 is the same strain as the White Labs WLP001 and the Wyeast ???? (the number escapes me). It's the "Chico" strain used by Sierra Nevada in most of their beers. It's easy to get this one to 10%-12% but I wouldn't push it much higher.

I've used it for Imperial Stouts and Olde Ales in the 10%-12% range quite a bit. Just be sure to use a big starter if you use the White Labs or Wyeast liquid versions.
 
Thanks Wil

10-12 is exactly what I'm gunning for. I've got an 11.5 g dry packet. I figured on using go-ferm, but it looks like a starter will be a good idea too.

Now I just gotta wait for my next gallon of honey. :)

~Z
 
Actually, I meant S-05, not S-04 (just looked at the old packet.) It worked great and fermented very clean. Flocculation was nice it and took off like a rocket with a very short lag period. The only reason I'm not using it this time around is 'cuz white labs is in my home town and I need to get some more experience with their ale yeasts in meads :cheers:
 
Oh, and it's so vigorous, I don't think you'll need a starter, wolfie ;) We didn't use one and had a lag period of about 6 hours (!) with a very vigorous fermentation.
 
Again, awesome.

Thanks for the info everyone, I'm pretty sure I'll be on the right track.
You said you managed to bottle carbonate--if I ran this to 10% dry and backsweetened (how much?) I would have a dry carbonated mead yes?
 
4-5 oz (weight) of sugar (i.e. corn or cane, 100% fermentable) is the standard range for priming 5 gallons of beer. This should give you somewhere around 2-2.5 volumes of CO2. If you use honey, you'll need to add a little more (honey is 20% water after all ;) ). You can also adjust to your preferences (lately I'm on an English-pub-style low-carbonation kick). I like to use <a href="http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/brew/widgets/bp.html">this priming widget</a> someone once posted as a guide.
 
AKueck is spot on. I much prefer corn sugar as it is almost flavorless so won't affect the flavor of you're brew and tends to carbonate faster than honey will, but if you're a purist....just don't use cane sugar. Yuck. The 4-5 oz. corn sugar translates to about 3/4 to 1 cup worth of sugar. Just dissolve it is about 2 cups boiling water and put it in your bottling bucket. Then rack your brew on top of it, stirring gently every so often during racking and bottling. This will prevent unevenly carbonated bottles which will happen without doing this.
 
Brilliant.

As soon as I'm through with finals I'll make a 1 gallon ginger beer mead test batch and see how it runs--if it's good I hope to have a good carbonated summer drink to pass around in plenty.
 
Rember too you can always finish with a wine yeast to go higher. There hasnt been alot of this as far as ive seen starting with beer yeasts and finishing with wine to get high and dry. Might not be what your looking for this time but keep it in mind for the future.
:happy10:
 
I did this very recently. I really like the results. WLP531 and D-47 in sequence like you describe.