How do small meaderies stay in business?

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The winery floorplan is then designated into bonded and tax-paid areas. Once wine moves from the bonded area to the tax-paid area, the taxes must be paid.

So the Feds come and set up a laser barrier or one of those RF sensors like in malls? It's a pretty funny picture in my head.

Does this mean that you don't have to pay taxes (yet) on the "in production" stuff, like what is in fermenters and barrels and such? That helps, actually. If you pull a "quality control sample" from the bonded area, must it be consumed there? And if it is, does it not come under the tax?
 
So the Feds come and set up a laser barrier or one of those RF sensors like in malls? It's a pretty funny picture in my head.

Does this mean that you don't have to pay taxes (yet) on the "in production" stuff, like what is in fermenters and barrels and such? That helps, actually. If you pull a "quality control sample" from the bonded area, must it be consumed there? And if it is, does it not come under the tax?


Don't give the government any ideas....lasers will be coming into my meadery - I can just see it.

The taxes are not high on a small operation. But as Brad said, the stuff has to be separated and paid correctly.

Paperwork and jumping through the right hoops is a real pain in the butt. In fact that reminds me....I have to email my monthly New Hampshire shipping report out tonight. Other states to follow.....(most require something by the 15th).
 
Small wineries, IMHO, stay in business by people like ourselves. We promote it through brewing and letting freinds taste it. Give a bottle and let them share it with someone. When the bottle is gone, they usually want more of it. Tell them where they can get it and bodda boom the mead craze is on. It is also important not to stop there. Making differnent varieties will help build the fan base as well....i.e. where did you learn from? How did you taste it? It takes people like us to let the others know it exists and how easy they can aquire it. Again this is from a person who learned from a total stranger that mead is good. I was the type of person who couldn't stand the taste of grape wine. It was way too dry for me. When I tasted his ZOINKS I was off to the races on how I could get some.
 
I'd like to thank everyone for responding to this, because I think at one point every one of us here on gotmead has thought about whether we could pull this off or not.
 
Going pro and holding on for a wild ride.

In my case, going pro has been a wild ride. Watching our start-up capitol disappear to an unexpected medical crises was heartbreaking. Three years later we have just today gotten our first official batch put together through the amazing generosity of our good friends at Cascade Winery. http://www.cascadecellars.com/ (please pardon my shameless plug)

Having a mentor who has been in the business for a while is worth far more than I could ever pay to an outside consultant. Bob gave me some sage advice. "To make a fortune in wine-making you have to spend a fortune..." It takes money to do this, and you'd best have and keep your day job until your winery will fly on its own.

Brad is so right about this becoming more than an occupation. If you aren't willing to put in untold buckets of sweat, blood and tears you probably won't make it. This venture is rewarding, but not for the faint of heart.
 
One of the key things that you have to do is educate the public about your product...If you make a great product, and people get to know that and appreciate it for what it is, the rest should be easy. Apparently people dont mind paying alot when they know they're getting a good product, because the meaderies around here charge ALOT for their stuff, which I can understand for the reasons that you listed, but that's what keeps me homebrewing :p

Ha, actually someone just messaged me on facebook after I mentioned I had no brews left to bring to the next party. He said he'd be willing to pay 25-30 for a 1 gallon batch. It isn't illegal to do if they are just paying you for the ingredients...right?
 
Giving the gift of honey is always welcome. ;)

It's not legal to buy the product, but can you sell your services as "transformer of honey into mead"?
 
He said he'd be willing to pay 25-30 for a 1 gallon batch. It isn't illegal to do if they are just paying you for the ingredients...right?

It may be illegal. The federal law allows you to produce wine for personal and family use. Providing it to others in exchange for money or other goods may not be acceptable. Wine on premises places are prohibited from helping you add ingredients or from performing other tasks in the winemaking process (though the ones I've seen all seem to disregard this) so you cannot necessarily "rent out" your skilled services. I'm not a lawyer, so this is not legal advice, just a word of caution.

My suggestion is to enjoy your mead/wine/beer with your family and friends. If you want to share some with friends, I don't think the Revenuers will care, and if someone provides you with a gift of honey, that certainly is no crime. If you choose to take it further than that, I would not do so in any public forums, and I would keep my mouth shut.

Medsen
 
I started my commertial enterprising 2 years ago. Haven´t sell a bottle yet, I had some technical and formulation troubles. I had made 4 batches and only with the the last one I feel comfortable to take it out to market shelf. I rescued the third batch, but decided no to take out because it will be impossible to me to repeat it, so it will go to Melagre (vinegar from mead).

And yes, keep your job is a very good advice, you'll need this income to pay your bills and to survive. Take me for example, paid me yesterday, after that I paid my bills and now let see what to do to survive. Thank God my parents are 100 % suporting me, so it make the weight a little bit lower.

And only the future will tell me if I will live from my meadering or not, I wish it badly. By now, I will keep my job with God´s help. I hope to come out to de market this year, probabilities are high. Tomorrow I am bottling this fourth batch, then I will let to stay some month and see if it quality is good to go out with the season.
 
Great thread! Like many here I am heartily obsessed with making mead. I often think that owning a small brew pub/meadery would be the ideal life. To make a modest living doing what I love!...

I've been making 2 - 5 gallon batches per month for over a year.
Sometimes I think: If I made 2 - 5 gallon batches a week, that'd be 520 gallons a year...What if I made 4 batches a week? I might be able to come up with 1,000 gallons a year. Would that be enough to run a super small meadery/pub? I'm afraid of huge vessels. I just want to keep doing it like I'm doin it... in small batches...just more often. I know that would also mean racking 4 x week and bottling 4 x week. Cool with me. Are there laws mandating that you buy really large expensive equiptment? (Please, someone tell me how ridiculous of a notion that is so I can stop thinking about it!)

Then my friend in the northeast who is getting out of large scale home brewing due to health reasons tells me he has 20 - 6.5 gallon carboys that he would sell for $20 a piece. (And a bunch of other nifty items!) If I added those to the 10 - 5 galloners that I have..my mind spins! Visions of a stone cottage by a river with long picnic style tables and iron candle holders and wooden benches...outdoor seating...cottage gardens...

Well for now I'll just keep bartering. People want our high quality mead for sure! I barter for accounting services, massages, dog grooming, car repairs, yoga classes, painting, and best of all HONEY!...when friends (and friends of friends of friends) ask if I will sell them mead, I ask them what they do. We make mutual gifts to each other. (Some day they they will all be invited to the opening of my meadery/pub!)

-Sunny
 
(again with my recent NHC visit, I know. can't help it....)

The answer to "how much does it cost to start" was a range from $250k for a production-only self-distributing brewery (not possible in all states) to a little over a million for a brewpub with a ~10 bbl system. A meadery would have lower equipment costs for the brewing, but much larger costs for storage vessels and space for aging the mead. But wine retails higher than beer....

Basically, you need to have a ton of seed money to keep you running before you can get to selling the mead. Time to find some avuncular neighbors with loose pockets. ;D

To just start out, be profitable and have a decent living I think it takes at least 250L/month steady sales. To get things started out right I agree you do need to have your living costs taken care of for at least 6 months and some business training. In Canada there are government programs for small businesses that will pay you a decent wage for one year and give you some business schooling to make a business plan. Even then you'll still need a fair bit of your own cash to put up. I say about $12k-$15k Canadian. Then you need some really good friends to help you out with cheap rent, bottling, labelling etc.. but it's easy enough to get help when they hear they are being paid in spillage.

Excise taxes apparently don't apply if all your ingredients are Canadian, even then it's not a huge amount. If you can sell consistently to some bars and restaurants and build a following with a consistently good product and a decent price, I think it's possible to get to the stage where investors and banks will look at your business as a real moneymaker. Even then you need a solid business plan and some sales records.

I think the way the economy is now makes it an ideal time for small businesses to start out. There are lots of deals on used equipment and cheap space available. Interest rates have never been lower, and banks have been given wads of cash to lend out by the government (at least here) for the bailout of the economy.

I just went through the whole licensing process, it took a lot of time in development of recipe, operations, facilities, equipment, marketing etc.. the licensing itself was relatively quick and easy - about 3 months total. Being able to make a consistent quality product that people will want to drink again and again is the really hard part, especially when you increase the batch sizes. I'd say that part took about 15 years or more...

p.s. Brad is that a 1000L fermenter or 100L? $1500 sounds like a steal. There must be a lot of challenges making a batch that large. I hope I can get there someday also.
 
Thanks for the words of wisdom...Oh ye who have ventured. I am sure it is a ludicrous notion...the 5 gallon batch garage meadery. I'll try to forget about it.

I'll stick to bartering for now...people truely do want our high quality, unique fermented beverage. I barter for hair cuts, dog grooming, car repairs, massage, fruit, fire wood, yoga classes, and best of all HONEY! When people ask if I will sell them some mead, I ask them what they do...Maybe some day they will all be invited to the grand opening of my super small micro-meadery!
 
Okay, that was embarrassing! I hate having conversations with people who keep repeating themselves. (I have got to stop drinking mead and posting!)

On another note, when our youngest finds her wings, my husband and I have plans to take our motor bikes on a cross-country tour of the Meaderies of the U.S. (and maybe Canada - any in Mexico?) - and Okay, also natural Hot Springs. Now there is a good idea for a new business...motorcycle meadery tours!
 
p.s. Brad is that a 1000L fermenter or 100L? $1500 sounds like a steal. There must be a lot of challenges making a batch that large. I hope I can get there someday also.

1000L (thousand). And yes, it's well worth it. The challenges? HAH! Try mixing up a batch of 264 gallons. It's best to mix in a 55 gallon drum and then pump it into the fermenter.
 
Now there is a good idea for a new business...motorcycle meadery tours!


Speaking of motorcycle meadery tours. If anyone is into riding and mead. Make sure you check out Fox Hill Meadery. Jason's place is between Asheville, NC adn Hot Springs, NC. which is a fantastic place to ride. Next time I go visit my dad (who lives very close by) I'm definitely stopping by.

www.foxhillmead.com
 
Different laws for different places

As for having a small meadery on the cheap:

In Washington state, we have a part of the government that actually helps breweries and wineries get started. When I contacted them about what it would take to start a meadery, it was recommended that I do it out of a shed or garage, as long as my city government allows that (they do). She said that this keeps you within the law with the least amount of difficulties. As for doing things in carboys, etc.-no problem. the biggest hurdle and expense was getting the licensing from the federal government. My local and state licensing would be a whopping $125.00, combined (if only the fed. licensing/taxing would be so cheap).
By the way, she did say it was legal to start a meadery out of ones own kitchen, but less likely that the city government would let that fly.
As for where to sell small batches: In some states you can sell at farmer's markets (part of your advertising budget, as well). Also, local wine stores would probably be excited to have a local product, and they are very used to being out of a particular item or having short runs of wines. Local food co-ops (if it's legal in your state, of course) are great bastions of local goods and would be another great outlet.
I just couldn't help putting my 2 cents in, since i have spent too much time having the same dreams as most of ya'll.;D
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