How much is left after Racking?

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You can also 'top off' with the carbon dioxide/inert gases. It's not as good of an option as having a full carboy, but it's an option. You can get a bottle of Private Preserve at a wine shop for about $10.

Thank you, Oskaar.
 
You can also 'top off' with the carbon dioxide/inert gases. It's not as good of an option as having a full carboy, but it's an option. You can get a bottle of Private Preserve at a wine shop for about $10.

To be successful with inert gasses, you need to replace the entire content of the headspace with the inert gas. The "protective layer" of heavy gas will only be there for a few minutes, if that long.
 
Dave,

You've been warned twice, you don't get a third. You're gone.

Oskaar

THANKS OSKAAR!!

I for one, am grateful this site is moderated, to appropriately deal with just this sort of posting behavior.

Sabar, best of luck with your batch! I hope you see that one of the most useful aspects of Gotmead is getting advice from the mead mentors. Listen to them and you will be MUCH better off in your meadmaking endeavors.


Eric
 
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Thanks Epetkus

Believe me I am defenantly listening to every one, and especially the mead mentors. I just wish some one could speed up time so I could taste the final product. ;-)
 
Hmmmm...,

A mead time warp! I can see the scifi movie script now! We get to zip ahead to finished product, and then zip back to make any necessary adjustments. Of course, messing with the space/time continuum will allow us to turn this into a TV series! ;D

Eric
 
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THANKS OSKAAR!!

I for one, am grateful this site is moderated, to appropriately deal with just this sort of posting behavior.

Sabar, best of luck with your batch! I hope you see that one of the most useful aspects of Gotmead is getting advice from the mead mentors. Listen to them and you will be MUCH better off in your meadmaking endeavors.


Eric

Thank you Eric :)

We really try to keep the site clear of people who are just here to stir the pot or argue for argument's sake. We're not perfect so sometimes we screw up like everyone else. Bottom line is that we try to err to the side of what's right for the people on the board. There are folks who disagree with the way we handle banning people and that's to be expected and we get that. Hopefully this will reduce the noise level for everyone.

Cheers,

Oskaar
 
Hmmmm...,

A mead time warp! I can see the scifi movie script now! We get to zip ahead to finished product, and then zip back to make any necessary adjustments. Of course, messing with the space/time continuum will allow us to turn this into a TV series! ;D

Eric

Maybe that should have been the idea behind flashforward.
 
Kinda been lurking for a while now and this topics seems to be touching on a A newby question that has been bumping around my head. Just howNHLw effective is using CO2 as a blanket for meads. Is it something that needs to be repeated on a regular basis when bulk aging in a vessel with q coue of inches of head space. Or is this something that might be better utilized in comination with a technique such as glass beads.

Apologies in advance if I have hijacked the direction of this thread, it just
seemed like an appropriate time to jump in.
 
Welcome to GotMead Panik!

I think this thread veered off topic way back, and when you see that it is probably best to start a new topic of your own. That way your question will get the full attention it deserves.

If you use CO2 or inert gas - the first concept to get rid of is the idea of a blanket. Even though CO2 weighs more than air, if you spray some into an open vessel, it will not sink to the bottom. It will diffuse around the entire space as the gasses mix. So if you plan to use CO2 for protection, you have to use it to flush out all of the air in the headspace.

It is not easy to determine when this has been accomplished if you don't have fancy O2 meters (I don't). That means you have to use overkill. With kegs, I fill them and release about 4-5 times. I figure that if I'm filling the keg at 15 PSI, each time I cut the O2 in half. Starting at 21% at 4 flushes I should be down to about 1% O2. Over time I've gotten a feel for how long that takes depending on how much headspace there is, so when I do it with a carboy, I'm just going by what my gut tells me. For a couple of inches of headspace in a carboy probably about 20-30 seconds of flushing would be my guess.

Once I've flushed and put the airlock back on. I make the assumption that the seal is probably not all that tight and I'll flush it again in 4-6 months. With kegs it is pretty easy to tell if it is leaking and they tend to stay pressurized and that is why I typically use Argon rather than CO2 because I'm not trying to carbonate it.

Anytime I open the container (keg or carboy) to air, I go through the whole flushing process again. Yes that gets tedious, and you run through a lot of gas, and you need to be in a well ventilated space, but it works very effectively.

Medsen
 
And they are impossible to rack off of...

I haven't had too many problems, I just deal with racking a tiny amount of lees over and shove the racking cane to the bottom. I usually don't let the racking cane go near the bottom until near the end anyways, as sometimes loose lees get sucked up and around the end thing.

I've recently been messing with caboys that have glass beads on the bottom by turning them 1-2 inches quickly, once a day or so (for yeasts like 71B that you don't really want back up in suspension). This slowly knocks all the lees to the bottom of the beads, and actually makes it easier to rack because the beads prevent most of the lees from getting sloshed around when you ove the carboy.

Of course - that is still way more of a pain than just having enough mead in the carboy!
 
Sabar,

I do primary fermentation in a 6.5 gallon carboy, rack into a 6 gallon carboy for secondary fermentation, and then rack into a 5 gallon carboy to age. During fermentation I do not worry about headspace as the fermentation is producing a healthy blanket of CO2 that forces out unwanted oxygen. With the last rack, I usually come pretty close to filling the 5 gallon to the neck although at times there will be a "cup" or two of headspace.

Personally, I do not worry about that small amount of headspace as the trap I keep on the batch (even as it ages for several years) makes certain that only the small amount of oxygen (if any depending on whether more CO2 is released after racking) that was present before trapping has a chance to integrate into the must.

I rack into a bottling bucket to bottle where my batch is subject to open air for as long as 15 or 20 minutes. I suppose this could cause harm but haven't experienced it yet.

All of that said, I know that there are wineries that never allow their product contact with ANY free oxygen by pumping everything around with inert gasses. From what our experts are saying, there is likely value in that or they would not do it (hopefully). But as a hobbyist, you need to decide to what level (and what expense, and what changes to techniques, and what changes to recipes) you will go to avoid oxidation.

So far, in my limited experience, a little headroom in the carboys has not caused discernable damage to my batches to the point where I am flushing things with CO2. I'd suggest you try a couple of batches a couple of different ways and see if you notice a difference. Use the techniques that make a difference and don't use the others.

Good luck,
Pewter
 
Ok, ok, you got me, More than likely there will not be that much left over. First Official tasting party! The rest I would like to age for a little while at least.

Oh, another side note, When I puchased the 3 Gallon Glass Carboy I also got my self an auto siphon. Cant wait to use that.

Sabar
 
Thats what I have been reading from you guys on other posts. That the auto Siphon is the greatest thing to buy.

How do you clean that stuff? the siphon and hose and stuff. I mean I ran water thrue it and soaked it in b-brite then hung the hose up so the water would drain, there is still moisture in it though. don't know how to get the moisture out.

Oh yea I also got some stabilizer, when I was at the shop. dont know if I will need to use it or not though. After being out of town the last two days I haven't had a chance to check my mead, so I don't even know how often it is burping yet.

Talk to you all later, Gonna go have a look now. hoping to see some clearing maybe???

Sabar
 
How do you clean that stuff? the siphon and hose and stuff. I mean I ran water thrue it and soaked it in b-brite then hung the hose up so the water would drain, there is still moisture in it though. don't know how to get the moisture out.

I don't have an autosiphon, I have a blow-into-the-carboy-to-pressurize-it thingy I got from MoreBeer. I really like it. Same concept though so yeah, very helpful.

I hang my tubing to dry; it usually takes a few days to get all the water out. Someday I'll have a compressed air supply and will use that. Sometimes I'll swing the tubing around to encourage the drops to fly out. Be sure to do so in a clear area. ;)
 
How do you clean that stuff? the siphon and hose and stuff. I mean I ran water thrue it and soaked it in b-brite then hung the hose up so the water would drain, there is still moisture in it though. don't know how to get the moisture out.

You can try using an aquarium pump and run the hose into the siphon. The constant flow of air will help dry it out.

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