Nicotine beer

[infojunkie]

Not a homebrew, but an interesting article.

When they ban smoking in bars, this is what you get.

<blockquote>A GERMAN company has come up with a novel way of beating bans on smoking
in pubs -- put the nicotine in the beer.

A new beer, known as NicoShot, is undergoing testing in Germany with
hopes it can be moved toward approval in the next few months.

Each beer contains three milligrams of nicotine and a 6.3 per cent
alcohol reading.
</blockquote>

http://www.news.com.au/story/print/0,10119,16801771,00.html

 

[Brewbear]

Do you smoke it or drink it?? :-\
And if you smoke it, how do you keep it lit? ;D

Ted

 

[Dmntd]

Ya know,

I think thats going to far. If this beer with nicotine hit the market, I for one, wouldn't even think about drinking it.

If nicotine was the only issue, I'd chew gum or wear the patch when going out to bars, movies, restaurants or the theater, hell while I sleep for that matter.

I smoke (quite a bit), upwards of two packs of Camel's a day. And yes having to go outside to somke is an inconvenience. But I smoke because I like to, I like the smell, I like the taste and the way it makes me feel. It's a lot like coffee, I drink coffee because I like it, not for caffein. I do not however drink decaf, coffee without the caffein... is like sex without the spanking.

I know it's not good for my health, so what? One day I will die (again), and they'll put the festering, stinking corps in the ground. Life is to short, eat drink and be merry...

Anthony

Think of the wonders uncorked by wine! It opens secrets, gives heart to our hopes, pushes the cowardly into battle, lifts the load from anxious minds, and evokes talents. Thanks to the bottle’s prompting no one is lost for words, no one who’s cramped by poverty fails to find release. --Horace

 

[scout]

I'm a smoker, too, not quite on the level with Anthony (my attempts to quit have succeeded in getting my consumption way down), but that just sounds disgusting. I don't mind going outside to smoke (I do when I'm at home), because that's just polite for non-smokers. I try to be as courteous with my habit as I can be, considering the usual non-smoker's total lack of courtesy (I do not need total strangers coming up to me while I am smoking outside, far away from them, and telling me how disgusting it is and how it is going to kill me - frankly I consider that rude).

The thing that gets me kinda steamed (and it just happened again this past weekend, so it is kinda fresh on my mind) is when non-smokers will put themselves into situations where there is going to be lots and lots of smoking going on around them and then complain about it. I am not going to say that smoking is good for you, that second and smoke is not going to harm you, or anything like that, but it is supposedly a free country, and I believe that everyone has a right to do with their own bodies as they wish. I believe that right ends when it comes in contact with another person. But, please explain to me why someone who is very against second hand smoke being anywhere around them will do something like go to a comedy club (and they tend to be very small places here in Houston) and not go to the designated non-smoking show? It's like a recovering alcoholic going to a bar and complaining about all the people drinking. This particular lady pitched a fit at every person who worked at the club, demanding to be moved to another seat.

Sorry, like I said I try to be very courteous. I don't blow smoke at people, in fact I make it a point not to. My feeling on tossing butts varies because I don't want to litter, but I also don't want them stuck in little plastic bags where they will never biodegrade (that particular internal conflict will only be solved when I quit). I don't smoke in my own home because I live with two non-smokers and my child. It just steams me when some non-smokers put themselves in a situation where they will come into contact with cigarette smoke and then pitch a fit about it. They're not protesting, they're not trying to make the world a better place. they're just being pissy because of a situation they put themselves in and decide to take it out on everyone around them. It's not a matter of smokers vs. non-smokers. It's a matter of rude vs. polite.

Whew. . . . sorry. Like I said, recent exposure makes this a sore topic. On a happier note *grins*:

coffee without the caffein... is like sex without the spanking.

This is freaking hilarious, and I'll have to remember it!

 

[Oskaar]

I'm a semi-smoker, that is, I smoke cigars at a rate of about one a month. I have a good collection of really choice cigars and they're aging nicely in my humidor.

I don't smoke cigarettes and really despise smell of cigarette smoke and the way it smells on my clothes, hair, skin, etc the next day after going to a club or a show where smoking is permitted. However, when I make the decision to go to shows where smoking is permitted, I understand that I'm putting myself in that situation and deal with it accordingly. When people come over to my house and they go outside to smoke, I go out to chat with them and such while they puff away, it's the courteous thing to do, and what I would consider part of entertaining and extending hospitality as it used to be extended in times past.

I have watched here in Southern California as these smoking laws have gotten out of hand, and trampled on the people's personal freedoms in favor of "clean-air" and "beautifying" the cities who have enacted these ridiculous laws. Now in Santa Monica they're trying to outlaw smoking outdoors in certain areas as well. It's become a witch hunt in some cases.

Scout, this is not a shot at you in any way shape or form. One thing that bugs the sh!t out of me is pulling up to a busy intersection and seeing all the cigarette butts huddled up against the islands like so many lemmings. To me, tossing a cigarette butt on the ground is littering. Here in So Cal we have some intersections and freeway on ramps that are just APPALLING because they are so full of cigarette butts that have been tossed out the window by some inconsiderate litterbug. I've actually seen people open their doors and empty the ashtray right onto the street. Pisses me off hard. Nuff said.

Nicotine beer, hmmm, sounds like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer grows "Tomacco" (tomato crossed with tobacco) and all the animals and people that eat them become heavily addicted. The big tobacco companies come to try and buy him out and he won't sell, until it's too late!

Cheers,

Oskaar

 

[Mynx]

I'm in Vancouver, BC, where we have "california" style smoking laws. ie: No smoking indoors (resturants, bars, clubs, concerts, shows etc etc etc). Personally, as an ex-smoker, and girlfriend of a rabid non-smoker, I love it. You can go dancing and not reek, or go to a bar, and not have an asthma attack or whatever. I fully condone this. (It was instituted here as a worker's safety measure)... However! Banning smoking outside, makes me laugh. Sorry, wont happen. I can agree if it's by an air-intake vent or something, that just makes sense.

This topic came up in, I think, the last municipal election here, and was promptly shelved. I think a few people wanted to make it a hot button, and it just didnt work. I dunno, as long as you're courteous about it I dont really care, and I think that's the prevalent attitude here...the littering is another issue and one that just picks my a$$, but that's another rant.

 

[scout]

*shrug* no offense taken, Oskaar. Like I say, I'm of two minds about it myself. But I do agree on the point about people emptying their ashtrays out onto the road. Icky.

My husband and I went to L.A. for our honeymoon, and I have to say I was shocked. You can buy Everclear at the local cornerstore or grocery store, but you can't smoke in a BAR?!?!?! And unfortunately, Houston is going the same way by inches.

I can totally understand your point, Mynx. Frankly I don't like smelling like an ashtray, either, so I try to make it so that I don't. Smoking outside most of the time helps a lot with that. I think that there should definitely be bars and clubs and restaurants that are non-smoking all the time. I just don't think that the city should have it be mandatory in EVERY bar, club, and restaurant. And as for non-smoking outside legislation, Houston passed one that said you could not smoke within 25 feet of the entrance to any public building. All it means is that the smoking huddle outside of buildings moves down 25 feet, possibly now blocking a narrow little sidewalk. *shrug*

 

[Mynx]

Ah see, there's teh rub tho re: banning it in all bars or some bars. The reason it was banned indoors wasnt to crack down on people smoking, it was due to workmen's compensation, and the health of the workers in those bars and clubs. So you cant do it piecemeal. My little sister (a smoker) used to be a waitress in a nightclub, and once they stopped allowing smoking indoors, even she noticed a huge difference in her health etc.

I can also see the point of banning it near building entrances, becuase what else is an entrance but an air-intake (see my above post) ... I have seen companies provide smoking areas, and one bar I go to has a smoking room...another has a back balcony... there are options. I certainly dont agree with it being completely restricted however.

 

[WRATHWILDE]

I don't smoke, and I believe it should be up to the establishment to determine the type of clientele they wish to court. I do think they should be considerate enough to install a high capacity air exchange or filtration system. I have been to clubs and bars where it was so smokey that I had to go outside several times just to be able to breathe. It's odd waking up the next morning and your lungs hurt... when you don't smoke. I did live in California when the law switched over, I felt then, and still do, that those decisions should be left to the owners of the establishment. I do have to admit I like the change as a customer, but it grates me that another sliver of personal freedom has vanished. As an Anarchist I hold personal freedom as the highest Ideal, as long as all the parties actively involved are consenting or have the ability to excuse themselves if they do not.

Wrathwilde

 

[pain]

First of all: ::shudder:: and *ick* on the idea of a drink with nicotine in it. (I'm a smoker).

Secondly, the problem is with this sort of legislation is that, like Wrath says, it erodes our freedom. I'm seeing cases where people are being *fired* from their jobs because they smoke, because their employer doesn't wish the possibility of higher absence or health problems from smoking. And they're allowing it. So, does that mean that if I drink a glass of mead betimes, they can fire me because I drink? What if I happen to have diabetes, or am overweight? This one chink opens a whole 'nother area for businesses to further control us. I think its coming....

 

[Mynx]

I guess things like that are a bit less of an issue in a country with socialized health care. I'm not sure of the ramifications in other situations.

 

[Brewbear]

I'm a smoker too and I understand those working in bars and their exposure to second hand smoke. But I smoke because second hand smoke is bad for you, I get it first hand :-\
As for nicotine beer *yuk*, can you use it as an excuse? Like when being stopped for driving under the influence: But osifer, I'm quitting smoking and I use this drink stuff to help me with the withdrawal symptoms. I swear it's for medicinal purpose only" ;D

Ted - running outside for a smoke
P.S. With all the fires around So. Cal. there's more smoke outside than just from my cigarette, isn't it?
BTW, I thought that decaf was like kissing your sister: comforting, but no zip in it :-\