Odd Smell from my Mead

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tom5head

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Okay so I am about two months into 4 separate batches of 5 gallon meads. (1) w/honey and raisins (1) w/honey, strawberries & blueberries (1) w/honey, raisins and oranges (1) w/honey and cherries. All the honey was from the same apiary. They all have a odd smell, all have been kept sanitary during various phases and all used the boiling method. All started off using Lavlin D47 Yeast and lbs of honey ranging from 12lbs to 16lbs. After month 1 I added about 2 lb of honey slightly diluted to each thinking perhaps this was the problem and might give them a sweet aroma...nope. This seemed to restart fermentation which I allowed for 1 week and then stopped by racking...there is still some bubbling I can see in the glass carboy but it is slight. These are all my first batches so I don't know if this is odd. The variety of Mead available here in NH is slim so I only have a few to reference. I have been tasting Piscassic Pond Winery Meads, various kinds, and they all just have a pleasant sweet aroma, whether dry or sweet...mine does not have this smell. I followed all the steps in the newbee guide...help please....I have just bought another 60lb of honey from another apiary and want to make sure I get this right if I actually did make a mistake on the ones I am discussing here. Perhaps I didn't and this smell will change over time...but it worries me since I read about some meads you can drink after a few weeks. ???
 
Does not smell like...

It's obviously very hard to describe a smell when typing. The smell from my batches IS NOT like vinegar, sulphur or burning rubber. Hopefully this will help you all diagnose what the heck is going on...I just have a hard time seeing that these batches will someday just have a sweet honey smell...FYI I have never made any other type of alcoholic type beverage...TOTAL NEWBEE HERE.
 
It will help if you can give you the complete description of each batch. The ingredients used, the temperature, the additives, the starting and final gravity, etc. etc.

Can you give us some better idea what the smell is like? Yeasty? spoiled fruit? Band-Aids? Listerine?
 
Description...

Okay mistake #1 never did any gravity's...got too excited and just jumped in. I will definately be doing this on the batch I will start this Monday. All these were done w/Monadnock Spring Water. Fruit on all was added after boil in rack #1 and taken out at rack #2. All jugs a have tiny bubble still, although very slight. Minimal to no action in the airlocks.

BATCH 1:
7/12/09
5 gallon water
13.5 lbs Spring Mix Honey
12 Strawberries
2.5 cup blueberries
1 plum
D47 Yeast
4tsp nutrient

Rack #1 7/31/09
2.5 lb honey w/slight water to dilute
note: fermentation restarts

Rack #2 8/23/09
1/2 lb water w/slight water to dilute...used to fill space loss from sediment at bottom of carboy.


BATCH #2
10lbs Spring mix honey
5 Gallon Water
5 Teaspoon Fermax Nutrient
4.5 cups cherries
D47 Yeast

Rack #1 7/31/09
2.5 lb honey w/water to dilute

Rack #2 8/23/09
1/2 lb water w/slight water to fill loss from sediment


BATCH #3 6/27/09
D47 Yeast
13lbs Spring Mix Honey
200 Raisins

1st Rack 7/18/09

2nd Rack 7/31/09
2lb honey w/water to fill loss

3rd Rack 8/23/09
1/2 lb honey w/slight water o fill loss


BATCH #4 6/27/09
10lb Spring Mix Honey
D47 Yeast
4.5 Oranges
125 Raisins

1st Rack 7/18/09

2nd Rack 7/31/09
2lb honey w/slight water to fill loss

3rd Rack 8/23/09
1/2 lb honey w/slight water to fill loss

Phew....okay so that is where I am at....I really can't identify the smell it just rough around the edges....definately not sweet though...sorry there is obviously some inexperience here on my part.
 
Further info

I started adding the additional honey not only because of the smell but because the taste was somewhat watery. What is weird is that there is definately alchohol in there though because I tested the the swill in the bottom of each carboy during racking and it definately did not take long to get buzzed...yeah I know real scientific.....
 
Fermenting

It doesn't taste great...but it is weird that they all have them same off taste. You would think only one or two would taste funky...They fermented in an area where the air tempurature doesn't fluctuate much between 62-72 degrees F.
 
Tom5head, thanks for the further information. It looks like you have a variety of different recipes and fruit additions there to compare and I salute you for diving in with great enthusiasm! The fact that you have such variety actually helps quite a bit here.

Since you are getting the same aroma/flavor in all the batches, then you can be certain it is coming from the honey and the yeast. Since all the batches have it, it is not a nutrient issue, and the temperature is just fine. The one thing you did that may have provoked some harsher results is to add more honey at the end which we refer to as "step feeding" which can sometimes push yeast past their normal alcohol tolerance, and can result in "hotter" (more alcohol) and harsher mead. This will happen any time you add honey to a fermentation that has not exceeded the yeast's alcohol tolerance. To prevent that from happening and keep the sweetness you need to "stabilize" the mead first by using potassium sorbate and sulfite.

I suspect that what you are finding is "young mead" aroma and flavor. It is quite common for young meads to be harsh - like tasting honey mixed with cheap whiskey, or paint thinner. The bitter, yeast flavor contributed by the yeast makes it worse. If you let the mead sit and clear and age for several months, it will undergo a transformation that may surprise you. I would recommend that you try this approach.

It is possible that the honey you are using has a poor flavor. Some wildflower honey is not so good. Still, I'd be quite surprised (shocked even :o ) if this doesn't improve dramatically if you let it clear and age. Just for fun, if you want to make a small batch (1 gallon or so) to compare honey, you might try making some with some orange blossom or other light honey just to see the difference.

If you haven't taken the time to look over the NewBee Guide, I strongly encourage it!

And, Welcome to GotMead!!!

Medsen
 
Well I'm not surprised you thought they tasted "thin" since the amount of honey/water you added would probably put you in the 8-11% ABV range and dry, assuming they fermented completely before you started adding more honey. If you have a hydrometer now, measuring the current gravity would be helpful.

If the smell is nothing obvious (like bandaid or rubber or rotten fruit) then I'm guessing you're just not used to the smell of young mead yet. It will smell and taste pretty darn rough for some time, usually from a few weeks to up to years depending on the recipe and process. Dry meads will take longer to mellow out since there is no sugar left to help mask things. And yeast in suspension tastes funny until you get used to it, so that might be the "same off flavor" they all have. Taste them again after they have cleared up and see if the flavor goes away, then you'll know what yeast tastes like.

Edit: Medsen types faster than me again! I need to take a class....
 
Okay

Cool, thank you so much guys, super cool feedback and much appreciated. Guess I just need to wait and see. Time will tell. Bitter is the right way to describe the current smell. I did notice that the spring mix I made this all from had a very "earthy" smell. Not bad though...
 
Smell

The bitter smell didn't get worse when I added the additional honey. It gave a sweeter flavor to the mead so I thought I was okay and then smell came back but less intense.

That's an interesting comment about pushing the yeast...didn't know I could do that. Learn something every day.

I read the Newbee guide it is what I basically followed in my process.

I just started a new thread noting the next two batches that I will probably start tomorrow...comments welcome. It is under "New Batch of Mead - Spring Mix" if anyone is interested. I am up in the air as to if I will use the boil or no boil method and what yeast I will use.
 
Type of Honey

Also unfortunately all I really have access to in this area in 60lb quantities is Spring Mix, 3 different apiaries within 1.5 hours...everything else is just in small batches.
 
Also unfortunately all I really have access to in this area in 60lb quantities is Spring Mix, 3 different apiaries within 1.5 hours...everything else is just in small batches.

I wouldn't call a good source of local honey "unfortunate". ;)
 
Source

Haha yeah okay agreed...it would just be nice to have a wider variety of types in large quantities. Otherwise deviating from Wildflower/Spring mix's could become very expensive very quickly.
 
Mixing honeys is common. Obviously wildflower is a mix, but you could easily add small amounts of lighter or darker honey to tip the balance in one direction or other. And wildflower will vary from year to year too.
 
Something else you can do to check on this smell is if you have any of the original honey leftover is to warm it up and smell it, and then taste it. See if what you are getting out of the mead is coming from the honey itself.
 
Smell

Yes I did keep about 5 lbs of the original honey...I might try what you are recommending. I did get the new batch with the new wildflower mix I just bought from the other apiary....soooo if in 2-3 weeks this new batch smells at least similar to what I have going now I will know this is just the usual smell...if not I either screwed up or got some bunk honey. We'll see....I hope it is just the usual smell or it was an expensive lesson.
 
I thought my meads smelled off for a while, but I've come to think that's just the way mead smells. I guess I won't really know until I try some that I know was made by someone who knows what they're doing!