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NewBee
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So my wife brought home an R J Spagnols Grand Cru wine kit...I've never made wine, but the instructions are pretty cut and dry (similar to Mead making).

I was wondering if anybody here has tried these kits?

And if so any recommendations?

Our kit is the Pinot Noir.
 
I have an Vintners Reserve Shiraz going right now. 12 days to go before bottling.
Very straight forward. Just follow the directions to the T.
I wanted to hydrate the yeast, but the directions said sprinkle it on top, so against my better judgment I did what it said.

I might try a White Chocolate Port next time.


Dave
(Sir Bradfields Meadery)
 
I've made a couple of wine kits, but I tend to stray from the directions. Most of the kits come with EC-1118 for the yeast because it is reliable, and ferments completely with little likelihood of a stuck fermentation especially for new winemakers. It can usually get the job done without a complex rehydration procedure, so they keep it simple and say "just sprinkle it on." They also are often designed to be done in 6 or 8 weeks and so they contain fining agents and other additives to speed the process along. Many will contain oak chips or dust to provide the oak.

Now me, I like to vary the yeast, so I'll choose the strain I want, then I will rehydrate it using GoFerm so I get a healthy start and complete fermentation. Then I let it sit. As a meadmaker, I'm in no hurry to bottle anything, so I tend to leave out the fining agents and just let time work its magic. I also prefer to use oak cubes or spirals. If my batch finishes dry, I will usually leave out the sorbate - the manufacturers don't want inexperienced winemakers to get bottle bombs with an incomplete fermentation - I am comfortable with preventing this.

So far, my deviations have not resulted in any stuck fermentations or spoiled batches so I suppose all is well. The kit manufacturers have to make a product that a beginner can use successfully with minimal risk of problems/complications. I do think, however, as meadmakers we are used to dealing with difficult fermentations and long aging so I don't feel nervous in abandoning the directions.

Kits are fun, and can make some very good wine, but there is something about starting with grapes that seems like it is missing in this - a bit like using malt extract with hops included in making a beer.

Medsen
 
I haven't looked to see what yeast was included...but I already was thinking about using RC212 on this since it's a Pinot Noir.

The Alchohol tolerance is slightly lower (16%)...do you think that will be an issue?

As for the oak...I have a 3oz bag of American Medium Toast cubes....any recommendations on amount to add to 6 gallons?
 
RC212 is a great yeast for pinot noir as the grapes tend not to have the darkest color and this yeast help maximize the color development from the skins. In a kit, since you aren't really extracting the color from the skins (it has already been done) it may not be as much help to use RC212.

If you do decide to use it, keep in mind that the kit has been tailored to use the yeast that came with it. If you use a different yeast such as RC212, which can be a nutrient hog, you may have to provide some extra nutrient. Also, if you use a different yeast but try to follow all the other directions, you may not get the same clearing with the fining agents.

I expect that RC212 will be adequate for the sugar in the batch as the kits usually are not designed to produce 16% ABV.

As for the oak, I like to keep it light personally, but I would start with 1 oz in the secondary (or 2 oz in primary) and see where it goes from there.

Again I'm not an expert with kits, so your best bet when in doubt is to follow the directions. The manufacturers spend a lot of time making sure it will work if you follow the directions (I have trouble doing that)

Medsen the incorrigible
 
Medsen the incorrigible

Well I happen to be a charter member of the "What if I do this" club.

So since I have a few empty fermenters, and a couple of empty 3 gallon carboys...maybe I'll split the batch...try the two different yeast...play with the oak.

I was also planning to bulk age this and not use the fining agent supplied with the kit...as I already have a really nice inventory of Pinot Noir on hand...no need to rush it.

BTW, if you are a Malbec fan...I just tried the 07 Felino...really nice for a sub $20/btl Malbec.
 
My dad has been really interested in all this brewing business I've been doing so he wanted to try it himself. He just got a wine kit which was a blend of shiraz and something else which I can't remember right now. We got RC-212 for it but ended up using the packaged EC-1118. It seems to be coming along rather well at the moment. It was full of stuff I've never seen before, as well as sulfite, sorbate, and bentonite.
 
I've probably made a dozen winekits from Mosti Mondiale. These kits are extremely similar to the RJS kits. Follow the directions and you'll be very happy.


Phil
 
Okay, I checked my stock and I don't have the RC212...So I'm going with the yeast in the kit (this time).

I do intend to rehydrate per Lalvins instructions w/ GoFerm, and I will use my oak cubes instead of the chips that came in the kit.

I'll also bulk age it for a while so I can monitor it's progress and thief a taste or two.

Thanks for the input...it is appreciated.
 
I have purchased many wine kits, but never made grape wine out of them.

I use this as my base for pyments. And much like Medsen, I throw away most everything else in the kit but the juice. First thing I throw away is the directions. I have had great results.

Liff
 
I just received a Winexpert selection international Amarone kit. Amarone is a wine perfect for meadmakers. It is made from partially dried grapes that make for a concentrated, 15-16% ABV full bodied red wine that requires long aging. I'm really looking forward to it.
 
I just finished pitching the yeast into an all-grain ESB and sat down to read the directions that came with the kit...if anybody has any other kit suggestions they've tried please let me know.

Medsen, please let me know how that Amarone kit turns out...I've only tried one Amarone since they are usually over the Alabama legal limit of 14.9%.

A slight bit of trivia, Amarone was mentioned in the book "Silence of the Lambs"...but not the movie.

Suddenly I'm craving liver...:o
 
Well I'm really impressed...while waiting to determine my next course of action the wife said "why don't you call this 800 number?" she was reading the instruction sheet.

So I did...and actually talked to an english speaking person who seemed to know what she was talking about...talk about customer service...after 5PM on a Saturday.

Anyway, she told me to add the bentonite and mix well...which I did.
 
I know little to nothing about winemaking: sort of the proverbial just enough to be dangerous, so I'm curious about the need for bentonite in a red wine. Isn't it used to reduce protein haze in white wine? -- Olen
 
Since the kits are usually juice that has been cleared to some large degree, the addition of bentonite may improve the fermentation kinetics by providing binding sites for the yeast and keeping more of the yeast up in suspension and the bits of bentonite get buoyed up by CO2 bubbles during fermentation. The tradeoff is that it may cause increased H2S production.

The bentonite will then help the clearing so the kit can be finished faster, and can be bottled faster. Remember the kit makers want you to get done with it and get it into the safety of bottles as quickly as possible both to prevent inexperienced winemakers from having batches oxidize or spoil, and also to free up the fermenter space so you can, of course, buy another kit... :)
 
I'm not really sure...but it was in the kit, and the instructions said to add it...

I have read that using certain formulations of bentonite in red wine could aid in preserving the aroma intensity, as well as it's brightness and color.

But I'll defer to the experts.